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Going into the 2024 season the bears had the 4th easiest strength of schedule based on 2023 results. At the end of the season they had played the 2nd hardest schedule, a difference of 27 spots. Preseason SoS talk is one of those things that moves meters in the off season, but doesn't mean that much when they kick off for real.


So you're saying that the outcomes of games played in 2024 won't determine the outcomes of games played in 2025? Good to know!

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Going into the 2024 season the bears had the 4th easiest strength of schedule based on 2023 results. At the end of the season they had played the 2nd hardest schedule, a difference of 27 spots. Preseason SoS talk is one of those things that moves meters in the off season, but doesn't mean that much when they kick off for real.


So you're saying that the outcomes of games played in 2024 won't determine the outcomes of games played in 2025? Good to know![/quote]

I'd say the games played in 2025 will be more important than the SoS based on 2024 standings, hth.
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I'd say then you should take the under on the 5 wins discussion.


A lot of things would have to go wrong to be under 5 wins. 8-9 wins sounds correct, given the young unproven talent on the offense mixed with the old vets on the line. I am not thrilled at how they ignored the defensive line in the draft. Colston better be a game changer to justify passing up both of the lines.

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Which was the exact same projection that they provided last season with Eberflus as coach. Which strongly suggests that Vegas doesn't believe that Eberflus wasn't nearly the problem that MANY claimed that he happened to be.
You think the Bears are going to win 5 games or less next year?

Brick before you go full bore with "just asking questions" i will simply say this. It is surprising that the preseason prognostication is exactly the same this year as it was last season. Particularly so given the fact that there was universal agreement around here that the previous coach sucked. The win total prediction should be bumped for no other reason than this alone.

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Which was the exact same projection that they provided last season with Eberflus as coach. Which strongly suggests that Vegas doesn't believe that Eberflus wasn't nearly the problem that MANY claimed that he happened to be.
You think the Bears are going to win 5 games or less next year?


The Bears have the second-toughest schedule in the NFL for 2025 (based on the 2024 winning percentages of their opponents).

5 wins isn't out of the question.


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Brick wrote:
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Which was the exact same projection that they provided last season with Eberflus as coach. Which strongly suggests that Vegas doesn't believe that Eberflus wasn't nearly the problem that MANY claimed that he happened to be.
You think the Bears are going to win 5 games or less next year?

Brick before you go full bore with "just asking questions" i will simply say this. It is surprising that the preseason prognostication is exactly the same this year as it was last season. Particularly so given the fact that there was universal agreement around here that the previous coach sucked. The win total prediction should be bumped for no other reason than this alone.

But Vegas was wrong. It may have been because the coach performed worse than they thought. He did blow at least two wins.

A 5 win team being over/under of 8.5 means they are predicted to be improved.

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Brick wrote:
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Brick wrote:
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Which was the exact same projection that they provided last season with Eberflus as coach. Which strongly suggests that Vegas doesn't believe that Eberflus wasn't nearly the problem that MANY claimed that he happened to be.
You think the Bears are going to win 5 games or less next year?

Brick before you go full bore with "just asking questions" i will simply say this. It is surprising that the preseason prognostication is exactly the same this year as it was last season. Particularly so given the fact that there was universal agreement around here that the previous coach sucked. The win total prediction should be bumped for no other reason than this alone.

But Vegas was wrong. It may have been because the coach performed worse than they thought. He did blow at least two wins.

A 5 win team being over/under of 8.5 means they are predicted to be improved.


This has nothing to do with the point.

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Which was the exact same projection that they provided last season with Eberflus as coach. Which strongly suggests that Vegas doesn't believe that Eberflus wasn't nearly the problem that MANY claimed that he happened to be.
You think the Bears are going to win 5 games or less next year?

Brick before you go full bore with "just asking questions" i will simply say this. It is surprising that the preseason prognostication is exactly the same this year as it was last season. Particularly so given the fact that there was universal agreement around here that the previous coach sucked. The win total prediction should be bumped for no other reason than this alone.

But Vegas was wrong. It may have been because the coach performed worse than they thought. He did blow at least two wins.

A 5 win team being over/under of 8.5 means they are predicted to be improved.


This has nothing to do with the point.

It has everything to do with it. Vegas thought they were good enough last year to be .500. The coach underperforming may have been why they weren't.

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Which was the exact same projection that they provided last season with Eberflus as coach. Which strongly suggests that Vegas doesn't believe that Eberflus wasn't nearly the problem that MANY claimed that he happened to be.
You think the Bears are going to win 5 games or less next year?

Brick before you go full bore with "just asking questions" i will simply say this. It is surprising that the preseason prognostication is exactly the same this year as it was last season. Particularly so given the fact that there was universal agreement around here that the previous coach sucked. The win total prediction should be bumped for no other reason than this alone.


Vegas had the Jets at 10.5 wins last year with Rodgers at QB and a poor head coach. This year Vegas has them at 5.5 wins with Fields at QB and a new head coach. Shouldn't the upgrade at QB, new coach and focus on offense in the draft kept them at 10 wins? They fell all the way down to 5 wins :lol:

Why is that, I wonder?

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i think Bears will go o8.5, but it feels like the line is set properly at that .

it certainly wouldn't be surprising if they went 6 or 7 . But i think 8-9 is reasonable .
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It has everything to do with it. Vegas thought they were good enough last year to be .500. The coach underperforming may have been why they weren't.

It has nothing to do with it. My point pertains specifically to prognostications. Not outcomes.

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Which was the exact same projection that they provided last season with Eberflus as coach. Which strongly suggests that Vegas doesn't believe that Eberflus wasn't nearly the problem that MANY claimed that he happened to be.
You think the Bears are going to win 5 games or less next year?

Brick before you go full bore with "just asking questions" i will simply say this. It is surprising that the preseason prognostication is exactly the same this year as it was last season. Particularly so given the fact that there was universal agreement around here that the previous coach sucked. The win total prediction should be bumped for no other reason than this alone.


Vegas had the Jets at 10.5 wins last year with Rodgers at QB and a poor head coach. This year Vegas has them at 5.5 wins with Fields at QB and a new head coach. Shouldn't the upgrade at QB, new coach and focus on offense in the draft kept them at 10 wins? They fell all the way down to 5 wins :lol:

Why is that, I wonder?


"Whatabout the Jets" :lol: :lol:

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i think Bears will go o8.5, but it feels like the line is set properly at that .

it certainly wouldn't be surprising if they went 6 or 7 . But i think 8-9 is reasonable .


I'm taking the under. Just as i did last season.

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Which was the exact same projection that they provided last season with Eberflus as coach. Which strongly suggests that Vegas doesn't believe that Eberflus wasn't nearly the problem that MANY claimed that he happened to be.
You think the Bears are going to win 5 games or less next year?

Brick before you go full bore with "just asking questions" i will simply say this. It is surprising that the preseason prognostication is exactly the same this year as it was last season. Particularly so given the fact that there was universal agreement around here that the previous coach sucked. The win total prediction should be bumped for no other reason than this alone.


Vegas had the Jets at 10.5 wins last year with Rodgers at QB and a poor head coach. This year Vegas has them at 5.5 wins with Fields at QB and a new head coach. Shouldn't the upgrade at QB, new coach and focus on offense in the draft kept them at 10 wins? They fell all the way down to 5 wins :lol:

Why is that, I wonder?


"Whatabout the Jets" :lol: :lol:


Your argument that the Bears should have a better projected record then last year doesn't hold up when you introduce other similar situations. You can't say the Bears should be better then last year and deflect explaining why the Jets are projected to win half as many games as last year in a similar situation.

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