rex is our qb

KDdidit · **Posted:** Wed May 20, 2009 9:37 pm

Nas wrote:

That being said he is better than some most if not all of the #2 quarterbacks in the league.

Again, I would have said that before last year but we was absolutely atrocious when Orton was hurt. It wasn't even close to 3rd string quality play. He peaked and he's only going to be worse with the Bears.

Spaulding · **Posted:** Wed May 20, 2009 9:38 pm

The best advice I can give you is find a new ass.

Bucky Chris · **Posted:** Wed May 20, 2009 9:43 pm

Trust me, I'm all over Jay's at this point.

I mean, err... I'm a fan of him. His play, that is.

MattInTheCrown · **Posted:** Mon May 25, 2009 11:41 pm

Hate to say I was right. Wait, no I don't; I keep getting that backwards.

MattInTheCrown · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 10:53 am

Nas wrote:

How were you right? Rex could have a job if he wanted it. The thing is he wanted some form of competition.

Suuuure. At any rate, I predicted him bouncing around among bottom-feeders for a couple of years. The question's now whether I end up being absolutely right about Rex, or merely generally right.

Jalapenos and More · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 11:21 am

Rex should at least be someone's 2nd stringer. No way there are 64 QBs better than him.

Scorehead · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 11:41 am

Jalapenos and More wrote:

Rex should at least be someone's 2nd stringer. No way there are 64 QBs better than him.

You are corrent. There are at least 100 QB's who are better than Rex.
Rex is horrible and should have never had a starting job in the NFL.
Rex is out of the NFL forever, He is a laughing stock. Why would a team want him?

Darkside · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 1:41 pm

Jalapenos and More wrote:

Rex should at least be someone's 2nd stringer. No way there are 64 QBs better than him.

I also agree with that. rex in the right system with a couple tall fast receivers should be fairly successful. I don't think the hate he gets out of Chicago is fair, but what kind of a world is it when Rex ain't working and Tavaris Jackson is a starter? that's messed up.

KDdidit · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 5:09 pm

Rex was in a system that he's been in for 4 years and he sucked in it last year. It's possible the Vikings were misguided by going with Jackson, but on the other hand maybe we're seeing that other franchises' evaluations of Grossman are pretty similar to that of the Vikings, that he's not worth having as a backup. I don't blame Rex for holding out for a chance at starting somewhere. In the NFL it seems the preference is for a backup to be a game manager and someone you know what you're getting from. Rex is more likely to shit the bed than give you a good performance, the last thing you'd want out of a backup.

Darkside · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 5:15 pm

KD given the lack of talent at the Qb position in the NFL, it's stunning that Rex isn't even a backup. he's sure gonna be better than the Bears current backup. You would rather have Caleb Hanie than Rex if CulterJesus were injured?

KDdidit · **Posted:** Tue May 26, 2009 5:32 pm

Darkside wrote:

KD given the lack of talent at the Qb position in the NFL, it's stunning that Rex isn't even a backup. he's sure gonna be better than the Bears current backup. You would rather have Caleb Hanie than Rex if CulterJesus were injured?

He'll be more talented than our current backup, sure, but that doesn't mean he's going to be play better than the current back up. As a backup he piled up a 59.7 rating last year in his 3 games with at 52% completion rate and 2-2 TD-Int ratio. That doesn't really do anything for me, and certainly not for the 3 million he made last year.

MattInTheCrown · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2009 9:05 am

Darkside wrote:

KD given the lack of talent at the Qb position in the NFL, it's stunning that Rex isn't even a backup.

Not really. Don't you remember when Rex played last year? You can find guys that perform like that at the local buss stop.

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he's sure gonna be better than the Bears current backup. You would rather have Caleb Hanie than Rex if CulterJesus were injured?

Sure. He's equally capable of being bad, at a much lower price.

MattInTheCrown · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2009 9:07 am

Nas wrote:

Darkside wrote:

KD given the lack of talent at the Qb position in the NFL, it's stunning that Rex isn't even a backup. he's sure gonna be better than the Bears current backup. You would rather have Caleb Hanie than Rex if CulterJesus were injured?

That's why I think the Bears have to be sure about the guys up front. They can't have Kasim Mitchell type guys blocking for him at any time or we may see a repeat of what happened with Rex in the preseason.

Qasim. Remember, he was called "Q."

Darkside · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2009 9:29 am

MattInTheCrown wrote:

Darkside wrote:

KD given the lack of talent at the Qb position in the NFL, it's stunning that Rex isn't even a backup.

Not really. Don't you remember when Rex played last year? You can find guys that perform like that at the local buss stop.

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he's sure gonna be better than the Bears current backup. You would rather have Caleb Hanie than Rex if CulterJesus were injured?

Sure. He's equally capable of being bad, at a much lower price.

Well, Matt, you're wrong.
You know that when "on" (which was more often than you're giving Rex credit for) he was good. When he had receivers who could actually run routes (I'm lookin at you Davis, Hester) i.e. Berrian, he was very successful. You would rather have a guy that played in positively 0 pro games at the season level than a guy who the Bears brought to the Super Bowl? That's just ridiculous and frankly it sounds personal rather than honest football analysis.
When Rex came in last year they had 2 number 3 receivers and one number 4 if you ask me. Had nothing going right on the O line. Any quarterback would have struggled with Dropsey McDropsalot (Booker) and those other bozos that were running routes. Rex wasn't the problem, a subpar receiving corps and bad guard play had a lot to do with it.
Again, when Rex is in a good offensive program and has talent around him he can be a solid player. Sure he can shit down his pants leg, but that's why I advocate him as a backup and not a starter.

MattInTheCrown · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2009 5:44 pm

Darkside wrote:

MattInTheCrown wrote:

Darkside wrote:

KD given the lack of talent at the Qb position in the NFL, it's stunning that Rex isn't even a backup.

Not really. Don't you remember when Rex played last year? You can find guys that perform like that at the local buss stop.

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he's sure gonna be better than the Bears current backup. You would rather have Caleb Hanie than Rex if CulterJesus were injured?

Sure. He's equally capable of being bad, at a much lower price.

Well, Matt, you're wrong.
You know that when "on" (which was more often than you're giving Rex credit for) he was good. When he had receivers who could actually run routes (I'm lookin at you Davis, Hester) i.e. Berrian, he was very successful. You would rather have a guy that played in positively 0 pro games at the season level than a guy who the Bears brought to the Super Bowl? That's just ridiculous and frankly it sounds personal rather than honest football analysis.

I look at Rex the same way I looked at Culpepper when I correctly stated that the guy doesn't have it anymore. Whatever Rex once had, he doesn't have now. I don't know why for sure, but he's just really bad, and that is that.

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When Rex came in last year they had 2 number 3 receivers and one number 4 if you ask me. Had nothing going right on the O line. Any quarterback would have struggled with Dropsey McDropsalot (Booker) and those other bozos that were running routes. Rex wasn't the problem, a subpar receiving corps and bad guard play had a lot to do with it.
Again, when Rex is in a good offensive program and has talent around him he can be a solid player. Sure he can shit down his pants leg, but that's why I advocate him as a backup and not a starter.

Kyle Orton was dramatically better with the same team. Mull that one over for a while.

Darkside · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2009 5:51 pm

MattInTheCrown wrote:

Kyle Orton was dramatically better with the same team. Mull that one over for a while.

It's not complicated Matt. He took 4 times the snaps in practice and every game snap until then. You expect that a backup comes in mid game and is in midseason form? Why don't you do some mulling yourself.
Oh yeah, how wonderful were Ortons numbers when he came back?
Orton's ratings after his return... 65.1, 84.2, 39.1, 85.3, 49.2, 48.7, 97.1... he averaged 66.9
Rex was 59.7 and 70.2 averaged 64.9 (pretty close to Orton's numbers huh?)

Not exactly DRAMATICALLY better. Show me some triple digit ratings for a Dramaticly better return.
Nice try though with the rudeness. :lol:

Scorehead · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2009 9:12 pm

Why the hell is anyone even thinking about Rex & Kyle anymore, let alone posting about them. My God these guys both were terrible. For the first time in any of our lifetimes we have a top tier QB. I cant wait to go to Bourbonnais!

MattInTheCrown · **Posted:** Wed May 27, 2009 11:32 pm

Darkside wrote:

MattInTheCrown wrote:

Kyle Orton was dramatically better with the same team. Mull that one over for a while.

It's not complicated Matt. He took 4 times the snaps in practice and every game snap until then. You expect that a backup comes in mid game and is in midseason form? Why don't you do some mulling yourself.

Plenty of backups perform better than Grossman did. A number of them against the Bears in recent years, no less.

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Oh yeah, how wonderful were Ortons numbers when he came back?
Orton's ratings after his return... 65.1, 84.2, 39.1, 85.3, 49.2, 48.7, 97.1... he averaged 66.9
Rex was 59.7 and 70.2 averaged 64.9 (pretty close to Orton's numbers huh?)

Not exactly DRAMATICALLY better. Show me some triple digit ratings for a Dramaticly better return.
Nice try though with the rudeness. :lol:

Numbers don't tell the whole story; Grossman was so bad the Bears felt compelled to rush Orton back, despite the reasonable (and indeed, proved prescient) fear that he'd re-injure himself.

And yeah, Orton was very bad when he came back. Maybe it was mostly the injury, maybe it was that, like Grossman, his success was just a flash in the pan. But at the end of the day, Grossman is just a guy that can't beat Orton in a QB competition. It was obvious to all in the preseason. So obvious even the Bears coaches didn't bungle it.

Darkside · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2009 7:44 am

MattInTheCrown wrote:

Plenty of backups perform better than Grossman did. A number of them against the Bears in recent years, no less.

But that wasn't your argument was it? No. Your argument was that Orton was DRAMATICALLY BETTER with the same team. And that's not true. I was supposed to mull it over remember?

MattIntheCrown wrote:

And yeah, Orton was very bad when he came back. Maybe it was mostly the injury, maybe it was that, like Grossman, his success was just a flash in the pan. But at the end of the day, Grossman is just a guy that can't beat Orton in a QB competition. It was obvious to all in the preseason. So obvious even the Bears coaches didn't bungle it.

Maybe Maybe Maybe. But the facts didn't change and the numbers didn't lie. Orton wasn't dramatically better than Grossman. I think the root cause here is that like many others you have an issue with Grossman. not that I blame you. I expected much more from the Florida Great too.
I simply believe that in the right environment, Rex can succeed. He has some measure of success with the Bears in the past, when he had real receivers and a better line protecting him. I think the problem with Grossman is that he's a pocket passer, and the Bears couldn't create or maintain a pocket for 3 seconds.

Douchebag · **Joined:** Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm **Posts:** 43569

I think everyone, with the exception of Darkside is missing the point here. I think we can all agree that we hated Rex Grossman when he was in town. I have no problem saying that. But who would you rather have as a backup on this team, Rex or Caleb Hanie? If you say Hanie, because of a decent performance in last year's preseason, then you are the definition of a meatball. Are you seriously telling me you are comfortable with the 2 backup's this team is bringing in?

If Cutler goes down early next season, it will be a disaster for this team. I give Hanie two weeks before we hear the "We should sign Jeff George" posts.

MattInTheCrown · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2009 10:32 am

Darkside wrote:

MattInTheCrown wrote:

Plenty of backups perform better than Grossman did. A number of them against the Bears in recent years, no less.

But that wasn't your argument was it? No. Your argument was that Orton was DRAMATICALLY BETTER with the same team. And that's not true. I was supposed to mull it over remember?

He was. Did you forget about the preseason?

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MattIntheCrown wrote:

And yeah, Orton was very bad when he came back. Maybe it was mostly the injury, maybe it was that, like Grossman, his success was just a flash in the pan. But at the end of the day, Grossman is just a guy that can't beat Orton in a QB competition. It was obvious to all in the preseason. So obvious even the Bears coaches didn't bungle it.

Maybe Maybe Maybe. But the facts didn't change and the numbers didn't lie. Orton wasn't dramatically better than Grossman.

Yes he was, which is why he easily beat Grossman in the preseason competition.

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I think the root cause here is that like many others you have an issue with Grossman. not that I blame you. I expected much more from the Florida Great too.
I simply believe that in the right environment, Rex can succeed. He has some measure of success with the Bears in the past, when he had real receivers and a better line protecting him. I think the problem with Grossman is that he's a pocket passer, and the Bears couldn't create or maintain a pocket for 3 seconds.

I think you yearn to toss Grossman's salad.

Bucky Chris · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2009 10:35 am

MITC: Would you rather have Grossman or Hanie as your backup this year?

MattInTheCrown · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2009 10:42 am

Douchebag wrote:

I think everyone, with the exception of Darkside is missing the point here. I think we can all agree that we hated Rex Grossman when he was in town. I have no problem saying that. But who would you rather have as a backup on this team, Rex or Caleb Hanie? If you say Hanie, because of a decent performance in last year's preseason, then you are the definition of a meatball. Are you seriously telling me you are comfortable with the 2 backup's this team is bringing in?

If Cutler goes down early next season, it will be a disaster for this team. I give Hanie two weeks before we hear the "We should sign Jeff George" posts.

Sigh. It's almost impossible to be worse than Grossman was in that very fucking role. To say it's meatball to not prefer Grossman is stupid, because we've already seen him fail spectacularly in that role. It's like arguing whether you're rather have Hutchison or Quinn. What does it matter? They're both worthless. The answer, then, is "whichever one is cheaper." That's Hanie.

Seriously, what's the argument? That Hanie hasn't proved anything? How is that worse than being a proven failure, exactly?

Darkside · **Posted:** Thu May 28, 2009 12:45 pm

MattInTheCrown wrote:

He was. Did you forget about the preseason?

I hope you don't strain an oblique reaching there.

Crazy Zany Matt wrote:

I think you yearn to toss Grossman's salad.

As long as I don't have to tune a meat whistle.

C_Howitt_Fealz · **Joined:** Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:03 pm **Posts:** 4944

I'd like to see Orton and Grossman go to teams that don't become QB burial grounds - then we can compare the two. My money will be on Orton.

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