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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:36 pm 
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Don Tiny wrote:
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That is Lovies philosophy. Rather than play aggressive, he likes the DB's to play way off their Man, giving up the 5 yard catch, but not a TD. This is certainly a play it safe way of playing Defense, which we aren't used to in Chicago. My Son was a High School DB & his coach played the exact same way & it drove me nuts for 3 seasons.


First, your son's experience has approximately dick to do with the Bears or this discussion.

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[Second, Tampa-2 defense ... read about it sometime, paying attention to the role of the CB's (which I assume you meant to say above, since not a lot of safties play 'on their man' :? ....).

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[Third, what would you propose they do differently, either in coverage scheme or in (plausible) personnel moves?

Fourth, you were saying about Tommy Harris ...... ?

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Kirk was the pissed off parent who would be a better coach...

and Don Tiny is on a zinger roll not seen since such legends as Noisewater,Killer V, and Krazy Ivan


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My Son was a High School DB


Like Father Like Son?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:55 pm 
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Phil McCracken wrote:
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My Son was a High School DB


Like Father Like Son?

Whoa that thing phil. Other peoples kids should be off limits...kid cairo DBing his own kid is fine...but dont get on John Kirk Scorehead Jr we dont even know him.

actually whatever I dont care.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Phil McCracken wrote:
Scorehead wrote:
My Son was a High School DB


Like Father Like Son?

Whoa that thing phil. Other peoples kids should be off limits...kid cairo DBing his own kid is fine...but dont get on John Kirk Scorehead Jr we dont even know him.

actually whatever I dont care.


Before I get the wrath of the decency police on the board. I do not know if JohnKirk's kid is a douchebag or not. It was a play on the DB reference. I am sure his son is an upstanding member of the community. I am also pretty sure JohnKirk is a douchebag. Thank you. That is all.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:01 pm 
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Phil McCracken wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:

Like Father Like Son?
Whoa that thing phil. Other peoples kids should be off limits...kid cairo DBing his own kid is fine...but dont get on John Kirk Scorehead Jr we dont even know him.

actually whatever I dont care.


Before I get the wrath of the decency police on the board. I do not know if JohnKirk's kid is a douchebag or not. It was a play on the DB reference. I am sure his son is an upstanding member of the community. I am also pretty sure JohnKirk is a douchebag. Thank you. That is all.

my post was tongue in cheek... :D


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Phil McCracken wrote:
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My Son was a High School DB


Like Father Like Son?


Yes, we all saw that and chuckled to ourselves .... but I think it's considered naughty to bring in kids / spouses / moms / houseplants insofar as being open for ridicule.

I don't think you'll get the hate I got recently (ye gods ...), and I'm not here to pound on you. This board has a wild-west feel to it, and once in awhile most of us aim poorly. I can't speak for JK of course, but I just have a feeling he'll maybe quietly call you a pecker-wagon but would realize you didn't mean anything truly awful towards his offspring.

Besides, nobody hates Tony Danza.

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The Tampa 2, Cover 2 Defense is a passive, play it safe, bend but dont break style of Defense, & requires gang tackling from Linemen, DB's & Safeties. The Tampa 2 scheme relies on extremely fast defensive players and a hard hitting secondary that loves to gang tackle, neither of which the Bears have.
It also requires the Middle Linebacker carry a bigger burden than in other schemes, covering deep routes down the middle, something Urlacher hasn't been able to handle do to injuries or whatever.
The real problem with the Bears playing this D is that they don't have the right personel to play this D. The D linemen aren't quick enough. Plus, the Bears have not had good coaching at the D Line position to teach the techniques necessary to play a sound Cover 2.
The D line will hopefully improve with Rod Marinelli coaching the line.
There is no doubt that teams can win playing the Cover 2...the Steelers made it famous in the 1970's & the Bucs had success with it in the late 1990's & early 2000's.
I prefer a more aggressive D where the DB's play more Man to Man & play the WR's a little tighter...but thats just me.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Phil McCracken wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:

Like Father Like Son?
Whoa that thing phil. Other peoples kids should be off limits...kid cairo DBing his own kid is fine...but dont get on John Kirk Scorehead Jr we dont even know him.

actually whatever I dont care.


Before I get the wrath of the decency police on the board. I do not know if JohnKirk's kid is a douchebag or not. It was a play on the DB reference. I am sure his son is an upstanding member of the community. I am also pretty sure JohnKirk is a douchebag. Thank you. That is all.

my post was tongue in cheek... :D


Yeah I know I just saw the crapstorm that Don Tiny stirred up the other day and really did not want to walk into one of my own. Better safe than sorry. Next time I will just stick to quoting Anchorman.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:30 pm 
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Next time I will just stick to quoting Anchorman.

Take it easy there Phil...why dont you stop posting for a little while


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Scorehead wrote:
The Tampa 2, Cover 2 Defense is a passive, play it safe, bend but dont break style of Defense, & requires gang tackling from Linemen, DB's & Safeties. The Tampa 2 scheme relies on extremely fast defensive players and a hard hitting secondary that loves to gang tackle, neither of which the Bears have.
It also requires the Middle Linebacker carry a bigger burden than in other schemes, covering deep routes down the middle, something Urlacher hasn't been able to handle do to injuries or whatever.
The real problem with the Bears playing this D is that they don't have the right personel to play this D. The D linemen aren't quick enough. Plus, the Bears have not had good coaching at the D Line position to teach the techniques necessary to play a sound Cover 2.
The D line will hopefully improve with Rod Marinelli coaching the line.
There is no doubt that teams can win playing the Cover 2...the Steelers made it famous in the 1970's & the Bucs had success with it in the late 1990's & early 2000's.
I prefer a more aggressive D where the DB's play more Man to Man & play the WR's a little tighter...but thats just me.


Much better. Bonus for separating out opinion from posits.

Also, I believe Madden's early-80s Raiders (incl'g the champs) usually played what we now call generically a Cover-2, except their corners allowed the safties to stay closer to the middle of the field making otherwise simpler completions over the middle come with a heavier cost, so to speak.

Nobody wants to watch Safeties play man-to-man. It will soon be a thing of the past. The physical makeup of the players involved (e.g., safety vs back, TE) combined with rule changes completely eliminate man-to-man effectiveness by Safeties. I think we will soon start seeing a change from traditional two-safety lineups to a pseudo-SS with a true situational floater that would hybrid responsibilities with the MLB (or SAMLB, as the case may be).

What the hell do I know ... I can't even throw a damned football. I need to go take a squirt.

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