So during the regular season you're pretty sure that Cutler will be dead or severly injured by week 4?

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If the line plays like it has thus far, I think there is a very good chance he will at least lose a limb.

Soooo. Cutler injury pool, when will he miss his first game?
I'll take week 9.

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By the way, since he was brought up "jokingly", Drew Brees has thrown 50 passes in the preseason. Jay Cutler threw 37. I would guess that the New Orleans Saints offense needs a lot less work that the Bears does.

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People said the exact same thing last year and yet he didn't get injured and statistically the offensive line was almost exactly average.

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1) Dude, we need to sit down and have a beer sometime. You just don't get me... at all.

2) I can't believe you actually looked that up.

3) Brees' probability of death or decapitation is lower than Cutler's.

Cutler had 555 attempts last year, and 35 sacks. I believe he has been sacked 10 times in 27 attempts this pre-season.

Bad, IMO.

I just don't believe the extra reps would make that big of a difference. The offense would still be a work in progress even if they did have a few more reps. You would argue (and be right) about them being closer to a finished product but I saw more risk involved in leaving Cutler in the game against the blitzing Chargers. In the next few games the Bears were more prepared to handle sophisticated blitzes because the players weren't thinking as much as they probably were in the first game. I would have liked to see them play a series in the final game but we saw what happened to a few teams by allowing their starters to play a series. Imagine the beating the Bears would be taken if a guy like Cutler got injured in the most meaningless preseason game of them all?

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Bears also have given up a total of 19 sacks, which leads the league.


They also got their backup QB injured.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&archive=true&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=PASSING_SACKS_ALLOWED&d-447263-n=1&season=2009&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1In sacks and hits they were 15th and 14th.

The "What if Cutler got injured" thing is valid but so is the "What if the offense sucks and isn't prepared" thing. I guess we'll see the first four weeks of the season how in tune they look. I'm not optimistic.

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The line looked a lot better in game 2. In fact most of the sacks were Cutler's fault. He was unsure (scared) based on what happened in the 2nd game and it showed on the field. He has to be tougher than that. It's possible by the time the season is over that Cutler could be the 4th best QB in the division. Most of his issue are upstairs. Physically he may be the best.

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Meant game 3

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It's week 4.

Offense certainly still looks unprepared.

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You Dick!

You cant argue with him now

HOVA doesn't argue. He proclaims.

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He's also wrong a lot. His silence in this thread speaks volumes.

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Yes, well, his wanton inaccuracy probably has something to do with the fact that he espouses the inexplicable belief that neither past regular season performance nor preseason performance can be used to accurately gauge how a team will fare in an upcoming season.

This is why I say he proclaims rather than argues--he believes the concept of evidence is irrelevant when discussing the NFL.

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Up until the injury (which I predicted, ahhhh thank you), the offense was pretty good. They were also 3-0, atop the division and the NFC.



Serious question though... do you think the Bears would be better right now if Jay had more passing attempts in pre-season? If so, how much better?

I think he might be dead right now if they kept him in the San Diego game.

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I know it's kind of a crazy thought, but I believe that if the key offensive players had more in game experience together that they would be more successful. I think there is still a lot of work to be done with the communication between receiver and QB. I believe that Jay Cutler could have used more time to learn how to handle poor blocking. You could make a case that pulling Cutler so quickly from the San Diego game and giving him less snaps than you would expect actually helped contribute to Cutler's injury because he had less experience learning how not to get killed by pressure in a Martz offense.

I believe that the offense would have been better because practice matters. If it didn't, then why don't all teams just play the second stringers the whole preseason and just pick everything right up with no problems on game 1? The offense would logically be further along with more reps.

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But they started 3-0. I think the extra benefit the pre-season reps has probably worn off by now. Of course I am not disputing that more practice makes teams better, but not every team gets better every single week.

To me, 3-0 means the pre-season reps weren't an issue. Would they be 4-0 if they had more? I doubt it, but I guess you could make that case. Don't think you will, though.

By that logic wouldn't pretty much the whole team be in great shape because they went 3-0? That logic is hard to swallow for me. I also don't believe the Kansas City Chiefs are the best team in the NFL even at 3-0.

I disagree. By that logic, there were no issues with the Bears when they were 3-0 because they were 3-0.

The Giants game was winnable with an offense that was more in sync. The offense wasn't in sync against Green Bay. They were pathetic in New York. I don't know if they would have won with more reps but they certainly looked like a team that could use some more game situations to adjust to an incredibly difficult offense.

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But at the same time, the Cowboys game was the best Bears offense I can remember. That game was awesome. Reps might have a slight effect... but things like gameplan, execution, matchups, etc are the reason the Bears were 3-0. They are also the reason the Bears lost to the Giants, IMO.

I'll admit they looked good the first two games.

However, you can't sit here in week 4 and not admit that they still are far from a finished product and especially the last two games have looked completely out of sync many times. Even the Green Bay game was not what I would call a great offensive day even in a win.

Your point seems to be that the Bears won the first three games so they clearly couldn't have been better. My point is that the offense still looks like a major work in progress even with those early signs of life and that not playing the starters very much was a mistake when putting in one of the most complex offenses imaginable.

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I respect that. My point is the reps wouldn't have made much of a difference at all. Several other factors are more important to the way this team has played than pre-season reps.


To be clear, I don't think the Bears offense is awesome. I'm not even sure what they are. I don't like the line, even though they were fine the first few games. I just think the offense wouldn't have been any better had they had more reps in the preseason.

Why would more practice in game situations not be helpful? The rallying cry all along has been that they were afraid Cutler would be injured. In this discussion, that's irrelevant because we are simply talking about how helpful it would have been. There is no reason to believe it wouldn't have been helpful. You are dangerously close to the "practice doesn't make a difference" theory which then leads to the question "Why did Jay Cutler play at all in the preseason if it didn't help to do so?".

Brady, Brees, and Manning all made a significant more amount of throws for an offense that probably didn't change that much from the previous year.

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Breaking news...670 The SCORE's Zach Zaidman reports Todd Collins starts the Carolina game and that Jay Cutler has NOT been cleared as a result of his concussion last Sunday, contrary to what the NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora & ESPN's Adam Schefter had been reporting.

You're not getting what I am saying. More reps are always helpful. Just not THAT helpful. Execution, gameplan, playcalling, matchupts, etc outweight pre-season reps so much, IMO, that pre-season reps just don't matter.

Yes they would be helpful. But not that helpful

Season's over.

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I wonder why? You keep on jumping back and forth.



Your point seems to be that the offense would be better with more reps but that the difference wouldn't matter.

Even a so called minor improvement would be well worth it. I think you are downplaying it a little too much. Most of the coaches in the NFL thought that having the starting QB throw around 50 times in preseason was worth the risk of injury. These are teams with well established offenses already. If it really would have made no difference I would imagine that teams like the Saints and Colts would have had the starters throw about 15 passes and watch the rest of the preseason. We know this isn't true and a clear trend can be seen in the numbers.

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