These experts who sculpt people's opinions on players via their publications whether in print or online are just as hit or miss as every fan and GM out there. J'Marcus Russell was considered a no-brainer pick who would bring the Raiders titles. Charles Rogers was a sure thing for the Lions. Kyle Boller was a steal for the Ravens. Etc., etc.

It's impossible to administer value to a pick without at least 1 season's worth of appraisal. Every year teams go back and look at where they went right/wrong in their scouting, but ultimately the answers are the same: it's impossible to predict with any semblance of assured accuracy how good at professional football any of these kids are. Look at a guy like Mark Barron. Crept into the top 10, and in the eyes of pretty much everyone is a can't-miss selection, but 2 knee surgeries later? One mid-season benching later? One drug bust later? It's unpredictable, just as unpredictable as speculating the strength of schedules.

There's always going to be parity, and that's what keeps it fun. Predicting and judging our perspectives on these selections is fun as well, but to brand yourself an expert by instantly damning a pick is an exercise in stubbornness. A lot of Bears fans over the years have had shoddy drafting completely taint (by cracky) the draft experience, but at least for the moment I think we all could benefit in letting the chips fall where they may.

It's also a REALLY bad sign that the defense for the pick is basically "Well, he could be good, let's just wait and see".

If you don't want to talk about the draft then don't. Some people want to.

When it comes to the Bears, America is just a slobbering shitwagon. Every single opinion of his regarding this team is the most pristine of doomsday horseshit.

That wasn't my point. My point was that based on the responses, a lot of the reaction has been made by people who were seemingly waiting on the edge of their seats to say, "same old crappy bears, nothing has changed at all." I just don't understand why it's necessary to make drastic comparisons (to prominent busts, primarily) when, as others have said, the guy hasn't even played a snap.

I'm going to keep my draft thoughts limited the remainder of the way since arguments can't really be won or lost at this point, it's just a pissing contest.

I may have missed it, but can you explain why it's a good pick to me?

Emery is still in his honeymoon phase. People were looking for anything to say "This guy is so much better than Angelo!". To be honest, it's pretty surprising that this happened.

I may have missed it, but can you explain why it's a good pick to me?

Emery is still in his honeymoon phase. People were looking for anything to say "This guy is so much better than Angelo!". To be honest, it's pretty surprising that this happened.

When it comes to the Bears, America is just a slobbering shitwagon. Every single opinion of his regarding this team is the most pristine of doomsday horseshit.

:lol: Brick and FF on the same side. Funny stuff.

So the kid has not yet put on one single pad and he is destined to only be average. Brick has spoken.

The pick may turn out to be awful, he may turn out to be really good. The point is no one knows right now. You guys can pretend to know just like all the experts, but no one knows.

This draft pick will be judged by how the kid plays on the field, if he turns out to be a good player then no one will give a flying fuck about what position he was drafted and whether anyone was going to take him in the next 5-6 spots.

Ok. Thanks. You really can't ignore where the pick happened or who else was available. If he was the #1 pick in the draft you certainly wouldn't and if the Bears had gotten him in the fourth round you wouldn't.

Also, I hate the "coveted by New England and Green Bay" thing. If that was really true, how would anyone know? For as big of a failure the Packers were last year, they still are a good organization. That information wasn't out there unless they wanted it to be.

Sounds like the Bears got a player who can be a decent player or starter.

When it comes to the Bears, America is just a slobbering shitwagon. Every single opinion of his regarding this team is the most pristine of doomsday horseshit.

For God sakes...get off the ledge everyone. Lots of teams make questionable picks every year. Likewise, many teams get lucky with late rounders. No one knows how any of these guys will do. Take a look at some of the Patriots picks to see what I mean.
"Fire Emory" is meatballery at its worst.
The Bears have put together the best team they have had in many years. Enjoy it.

These experts who sculpt people's opinions on players via their publications whether in print or online are just as hit or miss as every fan and GM out there. J'Marcus Russell was considered a no-brainer pick who would bring the Raiders titles. Charles Rogers was a sure thing for the Lions. Kyle Boller was a steal for the Ravens. Etc., etc.

It's impossible to administer value to a pick without at least 1 season's worth of appraisal. Every year teams go back and look at where they went right/wrong in their scouting, but ultimately the answers are the same: it's impossible to predict with any semblance of assured accuracy how good at professional football any of these kids are. Look at a guy like Mark Barron. Crept into the top 10, and in the eyes of pretty much everyone is a can't-miss selection, but 2 knee surgeries later? One mid-season benching later? One drug bust later? It's unpredictable, just as unpredictable as speculating the strength of schedules.

There's always going to be parity, and that's what keeps it fun. Predicting and judging our perspectives on these selections is fun as well, but to brand yourself an expert by instantly damning a pick is an exercise in stubbornness. A lot of Bears fans over the years have had shoddy drafting completely taint (by cracky) the draft experience, but at least for the moment I think we all could benefit in letting the chips fall where they may.

Am I allowed to not like it if my dislike is based on the premise that I believe they should have taken an OL, specifically LT? Especially since one that is projected to be good was there. I don't understand the thought behind this pick. Not really a need or best player available. We'll see, I hope it works out, but I don't get it.

Am I allowed to not like it if my dislike is based on the premise that I believe they should have taken an OL, specifically LT? Especially since one that is projected to be good was there. I don't understand the thought behind this pick. Not really a need or best player available. We'll see, I hope it works out, but I don't get it.

That is largely my objection. He had greatness at a position of need right in front of him by a lucky break but instead took a risk. Maybe Mclellin will be good. I'm troubled by his immediately identifiable fit in this d, his size for a de, his strength for a de, but ultimately, I don't know. I'm also troubled that the Bears are far behind the curve in recognizing that it is a great offense that wins regularly in this league.

The Bears did however sign Marshall & Bush to help the Offense. I wish they still had Olsen. Cutler, Marshall, Forte/Bush & Olsen would have been a nice foursome. Still, this is probably the most talent the Bears have had at the 3 Offensive skill positions in a long long time. Still need another WR though.

No, I mean specifically in regards to the draft. Where is this "oh, Phil Emery is the draft expert" stuff coming from? Have people actually gone through those Atlanta and KC drafts since he was head of scouting. They weren't very good.

Also, there is a very good chance that Brandon Marshall is Bryan Cox.

Ok. Thanks. You really can't ignore where the pick happened or who else was available. If he was the #1 pick in the draft you certainly wouldn't and if the Bears had gotten him in the fourth round you wouldn't.

Also, I hate the "coveted by New England and Green Bay" thing. If that was really true, how would anyone know? For as big of a failure the Packers were last year, they still are a good organization. That information wasn't out there unless they wanted it to be.

Sounds like the Bears got a player who can be a decent player or starter.

at least one more good WR, a more productive TE and several OL

If Cutler and Marshall can't make the WR's around them better then they aren't as good as we believe they are. I really like Kellen Davis too. .

What are you going to e-mail me? It better not be cock pics...again

You cannot shine a turd. I expect Bennett to be much better. Weems, Hester, Sanzenbacher and Thomas are all fringe NFL receivers. Davis is a guy that even at his best you will looking to upgrade from if he is the best you have.

They will continue to have issues if they don't fix that line.