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Agreed. He is done, let him break the record elsewhere. He isn't getting a 100 rating for speed in Madden after this season.

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You DON'T agree with cutting Podlesh? Why the hell not? He's awful, hell even the Bears hate him. He's all but gone.

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You should be able to keep Hester at a reasonable price and you should.

Ford is a definite keeper. He's part of the future.

No way you trade down from #14. You can definitely get an impact DT like Nix or S like Clinton-Dix.

A couple key players on D and some fill-ins are enough to improve it sufficiently.

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Gotta keep someone, so Frye and Bowman get to stay...for now....not syaing you cant try and do better, but today, they stay.



Only ones I don't agree with. Shea mostly because they drafted him so high and they have to see if they can get something out of him next year, or something for him in return. Wouldn't mind seeing him at LB at this point, similar to a Roosevelt Colvin situation maybe.


Shea's bust status isn't exactly a secret; the most you'll get for him is a sixth or seventh round pick.

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You should be able to keep Hester at a reasonable price and you should.

Ford is a definite keeper. He's part of the future.

No way you trade down from #14. You can definitely get an impact DT like Nix or S like Clinton-Dix.

A couple key players on D and some fill-ins are enough to improve it sufficiently.


Gotta disagree with you on Forte; 28 or 29 at RB is like 33 or 34 in the NBA - you're on the decline. I hope he's still good next year, but I think it's time to split carries with a younger back next year.

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Hester fumbles too much and does a lot of stupid shit but if the price is right (little more than the league minimum) you probably should bring him back. From all I have heard he is a really good guy and gives a lot back to communities all across the state.

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You DON'T agree with cutting Podlesh? Why the hell not? He's awful, hell even the Bears hate him. He's all but gone.




Don't get me wrong, I won't be all that besmirched if he gets the axe, but he wasn't even close to the biggest problem we had this year. His directional punting was decent if I am not mistaken.. so theres that.


I'd be more interested in seeing the special teams coach let go than anyone on special teams tbh

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You DON'T agree with cutting Podlesh? Why the hell not? He's awful, hell even the Bears hate him. He's all but gone.




Don't get me wrong, I won't be all that besmirched if he gets the axe, but he wasn't even close to the biggest problem we had this year. His directional punting was decent if I am not mistaken.. so theres that.


I'd be more interested in seeing the special teams coach let go than anyone on special teams tbh

Not only would I show him the door, I've have him escorted to it in case it was more than 30 yards away.

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veganfan21 wrote:
NME wrote:
bigfan wrote:
Conte
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Podlesh
99
Wright

Bush
Ford
Peppers -Try to renegotiate
Paea
E Bennett

Gotta keep someone, so Frye and Bowman get to stay...for now....not syaing you cant try and do better, but today, they stay.



Only ones I don't agree with. Shea mostly because they drafted him so high and they have to see if they can get something out of him next year, or something for him in return. Wouldn't mind seeing him at LB at this point, similar to a Roosevelt Colvin situation maybe.


Shea's bust status isn't exactly a secret; the most you'll get for him is a sixth or seventh round pick.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
You should be able to keep Hester at a reasonable price and you should.

Ford is a definite keeper. He's part of the future.

No way you trade down from #14. You can definitely get an impact DT like Nix or S like Clinton-Dix.

A couple key players on D and some fill-ins are enough to improve it sufficiently.


Gotta disagree with you on Forte; 28 or 29 at RB is like 33 or 34 in the NBA - you're on the decline. I hope he's still good next year, but I think it's time to split carries with a younger back next year.


What did I say about Forte?

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Shea's bust status isn't exactly a secret; the most you'll get for him is a sixth or seventh round pick.





As a D linemen I agree, would still like to see what he can do rushing the edge as an OLB tho. What could it really hurt at this point? Cut him in pre-season if he sucks at that too.

I don't agree with cutting him this second.

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Hester fumbles too much and does a lot of stupid shit but if the price is right (little more than the league minimum) you probably should bring him back. From all I have heard he is a really good guy and gives a lot back to communities all across the state.


I like him. He seems like a proud man who gets pissed when he screws up. I don't expect him to go to the house all the time,just some good solid returns which he provides. I don't think fumbling has ever been an issue until recently,but maybe my memory is fuzzy.

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Not only would I show him the door, I've have him escorted to it in case it was more than 30 yards away.




lol


Right back at ya bud



Agreed, if we're talking about the ST coach

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Right back at ya bud



Agreed, if we're talking about the ST coach

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That's fair. But punters can be found on scrap heaps and just about any of them is gonna be better. So fuck that fuckin fuck.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
NME wrote:
bigfan wrote:
Conte
Anderson
Steltz
Podlesh
99
Wright

Bush
Ford
Peppers -Try to renegotiate
Paea
E Bennett

Gotta keep someone, so Frye and Bowman get to stay...for now....not syaing you cant try and do better, but today, they stay.



Only ones I don't agree with. Shea mostly because they drafted him so high and they have to see if they can get something out of him next year, or something for him in return. Wouldn't mind seeing him at LB at this point, similar to a Roosevelt Colvin situation maybe.


Shea's bust status isn't exactly a secret; the most you'll get for him is a sixth or seventh round pick.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
You should be able to keep Hester at a reasonable price and you should.

Ford is a definite keeper. He's part of the future.

No way you trade down from #14. You can definitely get an impact DT like Nix or S like Clinton-Dix.

A couple key players on D and some fill-ins are enough to improve it sufficiently.


Gotta disagree with you on Forte; 28 or 29 at RB is like 33 or 34 in the NBA - you're on the decline. I hope he's still good next year, but I think it's time to split carries with a younger back next year.


What did I say about Forte?


Yikes...my bad. Read Ford as Forte.

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That's fair. But punters can be found on scrap heaps and just about any of them is gonna be better. So fuck that fuckin fuck.




Fair enough, I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind or anything.

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That's fair. But punters can be found on scrap heaps and just about any of them is gonna be better. So fuck that fuckin fuck.




Fair enough, I'm not trying to convince you to change your mind or anything.

Nor am I? Or was I...?
I dunno I just thought it was odd that one guy I really think needed to be cut you specifically highlighted as a don't cut... and I couldn't disagree more.

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in an unusual appearance Sunday night on WGN-AM 720's "The Dinner Party'' hours after the Bears' season-ending loss to the Packers, general manager Phil Emery offered food for thought regarding his offseason decision-making process.

"In my role, a leadership role, you can't be the most emotional one in the room,'' Emery said. "You have to be the one who has to have some calmness, provide direction, help console people and have the outlook that there is a tomorrow.''

Thing is, the Bears need defensive changes yesterday.


Stripping emotion from the equation as Emery suggests good leaders do, how can anybody at Halas Hall logically argue for retaining defensive coordinator Mel Tucker after a historically bad season? Mediocrity would have been acceptable — and probably good enough to win the division. But how can a proud organization accept being so awful and maintaining the status quo? It's not all Tucker's fault, but the failure remains his responsibility. The sudden availability of Leslie Frazier, the Vikings head coach fired Monday, also gave the Bears another compelling reason to make a decision on Tucker that's tougher personally than professionally.

Reasons to bring Tucker back, such loyalty and fairness, delve into the type of emotional factors Emery rightfully recommends avoiding. That's easier said than done, especially with a popular, stand-up guy like Tucker whom players such as Jay Cutler publicly supported Monday. But somebody in management needs to remember the best NFL teams follow their heads, not the hearts, to the Super Bowl.

Under Tucker, the Bears established franchise records for giving up the most yards (6,313) and points (478). They couldn't stop the run — 5.35 yards per carry — or rush the passer. When evaluating a defensive coordinator, ask two pertinent questions: 1) What player noticeably improved? and 2) What is the defensive identity? After 16 games, the best answer to both those questions is a shrug.

Blame injuries to five defensive starters for part of the decline, but to slide to the bottom of the league involved more than poor health and bad luck. Nothing galvanized this defense. Nobody replaced Brian Urlacher's intangibles. Nobody got better at tackling. No opposing offenses were outsmarted. The Bears defense typically responded to adversity by creating more.

Jarrett Boykin's bizarre 15-yard fumble recovery return for a TD for the Packers exposed the defense's lack of instincts and awareness. It doesn't matter if Bears players swore they worked on picking up loose balls in practice the way they did under Lovie Smith. They didn't when it mattered. The effects of good coaching show up on Sundays. That the Bears watched as Boykin scored indicted Tucker most of all.

Then on the play with 46 seconds left that determined the NFC North champion, the Bears botched a call on fourth-and-8 because of poor communication. With Bears defensive backs playing different coverages, Randall Cobb sprinted past safety Chris Conte for a wide-open 48-yard touchdown catch.

Those two plays alone created a credibility gap in Chicago that Tucker might never close. Tucker is a good man of high character, but the Bears cannot be taken seriously about accountability if they retain him. Linebacker Lance Briggs openly questioned Tucker's tactics and teammates' heart. With a respected voice expressing such skepticism, Tucker really never had a chance to develop the trust and chemistry his defense lacked.

In some ways the Bears got what they deserved by having Tucker use the same scheme and terminology Smith used. What sounded like a good idea at the time resulted in Tucker ultimately suffering by comparison to Smith as constant reminders loomed.

Speaking of Smith, he changed the course of his tenure after his first season in 2004. Smith fired offensive coordinator Terry Shea, a fine person dealt a tough hand with quarterbacks Craig Krenzel, Jonathan Quinn and Chad Hutchinson. Getting fired wasn't necessarily fair in Shea's eyes, but it was right for Smith's Bears, who were in the Super Bowl two years later.

Now Trestman must do what's right for his regime, with Emery's guidance, and start over defensively. It's Trestman's defense too. Trestman fixed the Bears offense, but it won't matter until the other side of the ball returns to respectability.

Re-sign cornerback Tim Jennings. Let safeties Major Wright and Conte benefit from changes of scenery. Say thanks for the memories to Charles Tillman, who's a durability risk. If Julius Peppers won't take a major pay cut, wish him well. Sign and draft a defensive tackle. Get a pass rusher. Bring back Corey Wootton. See what Shea McClellin looks like at strong-side linebacker. Pursue a playmaking defensive free agent with the ample salary-cap space remaining after Cutler's expected new deal.

But first make the right call on defensive coordinator, which requires not letting feelings influence a decision more than facts. Just like Emery says he strives to do.

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Nor am I? Or was I...?
I dunno I just thought it was odd that one guy I really think needed to be cut you specifically highlighted as a don't cut... and I couldn't disagree more.




Was just stating my opinion using that post I quoted. Obviously arguments can be made for cutting pretty much everyone on that list, I get that.

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You put McClelland on Strong side linebacker and you're a) admitting a bad bad draft pick and b) putting a square peg in a round hole.

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@JPastas post: Tucker has to go imo. Injuries shouldn't be the excuse for a record setting shit season. I'm with Haugh on that. Would like to see some accountability going forward from the HC on the entire team tho too. We went through the same crap with Lovie where he went through coordinator after coordinator. If they're going to admit that a coordinator didn't do his job, they have to admit that the HC didn't do his entirely either.

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You put McClelland on Strong side linebacker and you're a) admitting a bad bad draft pick and b) putting a square peg in a round hole.





If you cut him, aren't you admitting the same thing?

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You put McClelland on Strong side linebacker and you're a) admitting a bad bad draft pick and b) putting a square peg in a round hole.





If you cut him, aren't you admitting the same thing?

Yes. That's why I'm thinking that moving him isn't a face saving maneuver nor is it something that will actually work... it's actually quite silly.

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Yes. That's why I'm thinking that moving him isn't a face saving maneuver nor is it something that will actually work... it's actually quite silly.




They shouldn't care about saving face in all honesty, they should care about seeing if they can get something out of him. Odds are moving him to LB won't improve his status much, but I say its worth a shot. I don't think much is owed to him next season either.. not sure about that part tho

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That's why you make a your shit for my shit trade. It helps both sides save face. I thought there was some WR swap between two teams last year in training camp with a similar scenario.

I see your point, but if I'm a GM I just plain don't want Shea. He's a waste of roster spot.


If they cut him there is no doubt he would be scooped up quicker than an Erin Rodgers fumble by a 3-4 team. I don't think he is good but from their perspective he has been miscast.

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Peppers -Try to renegotiate
Paea
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Gotta keep someone, so Frye and Bowman get to stay...for now....not syaing you cant try and do better, but today, they stay.


Need Bennett to go now.....unless his cap # is really really low...like Vet Minimum, as I thought he get some bonus money 2 years ago from Angelo, so he could stay at minimum money now?

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Now that would piss me off.

I always liked what Angelo did with the late season bonus money, using all the current years cap room to avoid paying a guy in the future.

One year he gave Quasim Mitchell a $1.45 bonus at the end of the season. he used the rest of the current year signing bonus to sign a guy for 2 years. In that case, it truely is just the Bears money. In the end it didnt work out, but I liked the plan of paying a guy very little money for a position that could have demanded a ton . LT

I thought they did this with Earl 2 years ago, they gave him a $6M deal.

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You put McClelland on Strong side linebacker and you're a) admitting a bad bad draft pick and b) putting a square peg in a round hole.
c) measuring the amount of pine tar on Brett's bat.

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I think I heard Bennett's cap number would be 2.45 million. Stealing.


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Ford has a future in the league. DO NOT cut him. He costs nothing and will be returning kicks at the very least next year. Sooner cut Bush.

I got a lap dance from a Native American stripper in Oklahoma named Sooner Cut Bush.


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