There’s already a couple articles I’ve seen about it. I’m trying to be patient but I’m legit worried now. There may be no point in watching this team for a few seasons if they do this.


What baffles me -if this is true- is how could Poles (if he’s the one really operating this thing) think this will save his job? He has to know guys like Vrabel are a much better option here, even if he relinquishes some personnel influence.


Point being, if Poles does this he could be launched as early as next year because it probably won’t take long for it to go sideways. You’d think he’d really want to bring in someone who has a chance to save him. After all if things work, he’ll get the credit.

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Hey dude. I'm not the only person discussing Caleb so you can take your bullshit elsewhere. And again the only reason that you dudes want to make this thread a "No Caleb Zone" is because he sucks and as Caleb fans you can't take it. Get over it. There are plenty of threads where guys "veer off topic' all of the time and no one ever says shit. If the kid was playing well you dudes would be any and everywhere letting those who thought that he sucked know about it regardless of thread title or topic. Millenial Park Ya Here? So bite me with the bullshit about "thread purity". You dudes did nothing but trolled for the past 8-9 months and referred to people as "Cultists" simply because they had a "differing "viewpoint" regarding the person you believed to be "Generational". And during MANY a thread that was about Caleb you always wanted to talk anything but Caleb.
. Owners, "Cultists fans", Coaches, O-Line whatever.

How in the hell is this any different? And again whatever coach that is hired will be hired mostly with him in mind.

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I agree Poles should be aware enough to be in self-preservation mode but who knows?
Maybe he really believes he is that good of a GM.

No you aren’t the only one. And as I said already.. at least my ‘bullshit’ is in the appropriate place.

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Even if he believes he’s that good of a GM.. he can’t possibly believe options he’s choosing to ride with simply because they will be ‘yes’ men are better at coaching anything he’s going to hand them than guys like Vrabel.


And that’s kind of the part I’m struggling with as far as these rumors go. If they have legs at all how can Warren and even George not see this..? George may be incompetent and want to ‘stay out of football’ business but I’m sure he would like to see this team succeed at some damn point even if only so they don’t have to repeat this process every 3 years. These guys have to know going this route is a bad idea.


This went from at least promising just over the last few weeks to really troubling in the last couple of days.

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Others aren't. They do their nonstop trolling bullshit regardless of topic and then whine when they feel it's time to do Very. SERIOUS.Radio. Juice Ya Here?

And regardless of what you or anyone else says, Caleb Williams is central to all of this. Don't know if you know this, but when the debacle in Detroit went down, Warren and Poles basically did a huge FU to Eberflus in the locker room right after the game in order to make sure the "Generational One" was "all good" Locker Room going up (Think Jaylen Johnson was throwing Eberflus under the bus at the time) Instead of coming to check on the team or even Eberflus, they said fuck him and the team and checked on Caleb instead.

Do you really think that other coaches don't know about this particular story? If a laymen such as myself knows I'm sure they know..Which is why names like Anthony Weaver get leaked as "top candidates" that they are eyeing and not Ben Johnson. It's going to be tough to land a top coach (though not impossible) if your mediocre QB has more sway in the organization than the damn head coach.

Thus all of these rumors about top guys coming here are virtually useless. Unless something changes.

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Hard reality is that both Vrabel and Ben Johnson just might not be all that interested in inheriting the situation in Chicago. After those two it’s a pretty clear drop, Bears really might be just in a position where they have to take what they can get. This is why losing for draft picks is bad btw.

And while I’d say Brown did show improvement as a play caller as soon as he took over for 3 weeks or so.. he didn’t show anything in regards to developing a QB, he certainly hasn’t shown any ability since becoming the HC to rally a locker room and make sure guys aren’t tuning him out. It’s just baffling to know this all has to be blown up and yet they’d once again force coaches on the new HC rather than letting them bring in their own people.. which will limit your options on who will even consider taking the job.

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I would withhold this particular outrage until it’s confirmed that Ryan Poles is staying. A lot can change even in the next six hours. Remember the Bears allowed Matt Eberflus to hold a Zoom press conference less than an hour before they fired him and nobody in the media was wise to it (or at least willing to go public).

While this is certainly true, you’d still have the next tier of guys like Flores, Brady and even Carroll (or hell even Chucky) to look into. In any event, I don’t want to see any coach brought in who isn’t going to pick their own staff entirely. It’s one thing to deny them personnel control, it’s quite another to remove control over their own staff.


My top choices are Johnson (if you want to take a chance on the hot hand who could possibly develop your QB).. or Vrabel (if you want the experienced guy who can take control of the team). Vrabel has always seemed like the least likely between those two as I think he’d want more control. I also don’t believe Vrabel is any more interested in the Bears than any other job. Johnson I think has had legit interest since last year, and he seemed willing to work with Poles then. The question is how does he feel this time around? He’s clearly being patient, calculating, and not desperate for his 1st shot when it comes to his choice (smart on his part and another reason I think he’ll be a good HC).

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Again, fair point.. but I think he’s staying. Everything seems to indicate he is and if he wasn’t I don’t see any reason they wouldn’t have set him free over the last couple of weeks. They have Warren in place for a situation like that.


But yes, there remains a chance he’s let go I spose

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Normally, GMs unrelated to ownership get to pick two head coaches, isn't that the formula? But after such a spectacular failure over the tenure of his first hire, to the point of ownership brass and the GM trying to put blame on the other for the hire, firing him should have been on the table at some point. And who knows, if they lose today in spectacular fashion, maybe those loud voices in the room toll for Poles.

I would count last offseason as picking a second coach. He turned down Jim Harbaugh for Matt Eberflus. I don’t care what organizational forces were up against him, one of the best football coaches in the world wanted to come to town and he didn’t get him.

That is correct. THAT WAS A HUGE MISTAKE FOR THE BEAR'S AND A CLOSE SECOND WAS THE DECISION TO PASS UP THE TRADE DEAL FOR THE NUMBER ONE PICK. Harbaugh would have drafted Alt and probably still got the receiver he wants as well as additional oline help in the trade bounty received with the trade. I think that Harbaugh would have developed Fields just like he developed other good quarterbacks.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Ben Johnson no matter what.

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This is the way.

I hope Ben Johnson can fucking block because that’s what they need the most. You can replace Keenan Allen too. He sucks.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Jerod Mayo out. Mike Vrabel in?

Absolutely, and if this fucking team can't meet Ben Johnson's price in a bidding war because they're already paying Eberflus to go away and want to pay for o-line help, then it's over before it began.

You’re not going to see meaningful improvement on the offensive line in one offseason. If anything it will get worse as you endure rookie growing pains. Even Penei Sewell was dreadful his first year.

Should they still draft offensive tackles and try and improve on OK-but-often-injured Braxton Jones and completely mediocre (often bad) Darnell Wright? Yes, but you won’t bear the fruits of those picks until 2026 or more realistically 2027. And no GM on the hot seat like Ryan Poles is going to make those decisions.

It’s very similar to Ryan Pace just sending it on Justin Fields to save his job and giving up Christian Darrisaw plus a first in that desperate gambit.

The issue I have with this..


A. He sort of did get his 2nd coach when he passed on shitcanning Eberfuck to retain him in the name of ‘continuity’. And no I do not believe he was kept from launching him, I believe he wanted to retain him.


B. Bad coaching decisions aren’t even close to the only reason to fire him. He’s failed at drafting, failed in FA, makes odd decisions with trades and seems entirely clueless on how to build a team and identify talent in general. This is 3 years of him swinging and whiffing on all these things. He is what he is, he should be launched.

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Vrabel has to be just about 100% off the table for anyone else now. It won’t shock me if he cancels all lined up interviews and immediately flys to NE


This should light a huge fire under the ass of the Bears to push all chips in on trying to land Johnson.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Yeah this might actually keep whomever is actually making the HC decisions from shooting the team in the foot.

There’s nothing really in his favor. In the real world, he should be interviewing for his own job tomorrow and there’s no affirmative argument as to why he should keep the job.

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When can the team reach out to candidates already employed, can the team spin up a search for a competent executive in that time? And presume we're talking about a fictional organization that's about average, not the McCaskeys.

I mean where else in the world can you work and fail at almost every aspect of your job for 3 years straight and expect to retain said job..?

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meteorologist?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

NE coach....adios

One of the reported 2 most likely sports for Vrabel has opened up.