They are, especially since you've clarified those stats are for 15 games or less.

The point of the discussion was to have you put actual numbers behind it that can be tracked. You put the over/unders at roughly the 6th best QB in the league. You don't sound confident that Williams will be bad next year.

Here are the individual ranks this would result in this year. Totals are divided by 15 based on your criteria.
1. Yards 3804
-7
2. Attempts 477 (has to accomplish these stats within the parameters provided)
-12
3. Games Played 15 (Must accomplish this in 15 games or less)
-This one really shouldn't be a category. It's just the maximum. It would make more sense to just do averages with a minimum games played though.
4. TDs 28
-5
5. Ints 7
-3
6. Completion %62.1
-Most of the league
7. QBR 56.3
-15
8. Y/C 12.9
-2
9. AY/A 8.49
-2

I'll say it another way.
There are 8 total stats up there.
Lamar Jackson hits all of them but one(yards per game)
Jared Goff miss on 2/8(int, Y/C)
Brock Purdy misses on 2/8(int, AY/A)
Joe Burrow misses on 3/8(int, Y/C,AY/A)
Baker Mayfield misses on 3/8(int, Y/C,AY/A)
Sam Darnold misses on 3/8(int, Y/C, AY/A)

I believe that is the complete list. Dr Style expects big things for Williams if he is setting the standard that high.

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Those were Jared Goff's 2nd year numbers. The very same Jared Goff that everyone here proclaims "wasn't very good" at the time . The very same Jared Goff that wasn't "lucky" enough to have been coached by "savior" Ben Johnson at the time.

If you do not even believe that he can be 2nd Year Jared Goff (who mind you was the same age that Caleb is now) then it's clear that you really don't believe that this kid is particularly good. So ya might want to dispense with all of the trolling McCarver

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You mean Pro Bowl Quarterback Jared Goff, that year

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He made the Pro Bowl that year.

I think this shows you already know you are wrong on Williams. You are setting the standard at roughly the 7th best QB in the league next year with your numbers.

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You just told me that you don't believe that 2nd year Caleb will be anywhere near as good as 2nd year Jared Goff. A guy whom believed "sucks".

Which really says all that needs to be said.

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Poles mentioned during the press conference they could easily switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense. Didn't say they would, but he said it for some reason.

The context of that post is that Goff was not ready to play in the NFL as a first year player. You know, the thing I've been consistent on about rookie year QB play?

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Cementing your status as "Brick .McCarver". Pro Tip McCarver. When you claim that someone "sucks" it means that you believe that he is a terrible player. Not that they are simply "playing terribly".

If you are just going to play the revisionist game of proclaiming that someone is bad when they play bad and good when they play well then we might as well discontinue the conversation.

Jared Goff went from being a player that "sucks" according to you to one of the game's "elite apparently" nearly overnight.

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At the time of the post, Goff had not taken a single NFL snap.

He wasn't ready to play as a rookie. That is why he didn't play for the first half of the season and wasn't very good when he did play.

As I've said plenty of times, rookie QB production does not matter all that much.

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Here's the problem McCarver. As is per usual with you, you say quite a bit to essentially say nothing.

I didn't state that he had to produce Patrick Mahomes stats in year 2. I asked him to produce 5 stats that match or exceed Jared Goff's year 2 stats. And you proclaimed that those were lofty expectations essentially. If you cannot even agree that he is Jared Goff in year 2, then you cannot possibly proclaim or argue that he played "well" in year 2. Because that is what "playing well" looks like.

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I think its great that Johnson is challenging Caleb. He, unlike Flus, has the gravitas as an offensive mind to tell him that some things need to change for him to be great. If Caleb trusts him, Johnson will make him the great player he can be

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Idk why mods feel obliged to fuck with my thread titles. I changed it back.

In order to hit 5/8 of those stats he would end up likely a top 5 QB next year though. By my count, 6 QBs hit those metrics this year.

So yes, they are unrealistic expectations for someone that keeps on talking about how bad Williams is.

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Brick if he is 20th ranked in those categories you will still run around proclaiming that he "played well"

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Why not just bet who has the better numbers next year. Justin Fields or Caleb Williams.

Seems simple enough. Metrics would be Games Started, TD, - INT's, - Lost Fumbles, Rushing Yards, Wins, Total Yards.

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No I won't, just like I didn't this year.

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I thought yall were tired of talking about Justin Fields? Just Asking A Question

And keep in mind that he much like Brick, also believed that Caleb played "very well" this season.

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You parse through and cherry pick quarters from certain games in order to validate your belief that he played "very well". Like Washington were he passed for no Tds and entered the 4th Quarter with about 50 or 60 yards passing.

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You seem to want to bet metrics above the mean. Caleb is terrible, isn't he?

We can put stats up on just about anything. But what I'm not going to do is fall for the flim flam about 3500 Yards and 20 Tds while the kid is passing nearly 600 times in a season
If you track McCarver's posts prior to the start of this season it was clear that he had the kid playing very well prior to the season.

And if you track the posts of the "Moisture Men" prior to the start of this season it's clear that they expected the kid to be better than someone like a year 2 Jared Goff. Now they all have track shoes on in retreat.

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No, I never said he played well last season. Just stop. There was no parsing through and cherry picking quarters.

In regards to a discussion that went to individual games, I pointed out that in 7 games he played "well to very well" and that doesn't include two games where his statistics were good but they were blowouts and that shouldn't really count. I pointed out at the same time that he was horrible in many games. You keep on changing this to me saying that he played "very well" last season.

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. Brick proclaiming that there were MANY games in which he played well when clearly there were not is "parsing"

No matter what you proclaim across the board his stats were terrible.

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It's a statement of fact. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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It's an opinion and a very bad one at that.

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I think it’s time. ^

He knows Caleb will out play Fields next year. It won't even be close. I don't blame him from deflecting a straight up Caleb vs Fields bet.

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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/bears-will-not-retain-interim-hc-thomas-brown-several-assistant-coaches

not surprising, but OB will be happy. every post game show he'd be yelling about how dumb the coaches were

This is the same dude who'll be bemoaning the fact that Caleb is "Just A 2nd Year dude on his 3rd coach" as soon as the season begins
I'll take that action as long as we factor in things like Attempts and QBR. Unlike dopes like you I've watched sports enough in my day to know and understand when someone's stats are being "stuffed" and inflated.

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Why don’t you guys just set a level relative to the league?

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