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How many 3 and outs did the Bears have in the 1st half? When you know your defense is a bottom 3 unit and has been consistently, and you're facing another atrocious defense, that can't happen. The Bears defense was terrible, but Cutler didn't play well enough to win.


This is just a stupid trolling comment. Cutler played about as perfect a game as a QB can play with regards to the QBR he had in the 4th quarter which about doubled Rodgers' QBR.

Go troll somewhere else.

It's not trolling, it's a true statement. Rodgers played awful for most of the game and the Bears should have been up by 10+ at halftime. But instead he couldn't even get a first down on 3 or 4 different drives against a terrible defense. If you think he played close to perfect than you're either blind, a fool, or both.

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How many 3 and outs did the Bears have in the 1st half? When you know your defense is a bottom 3 unit and has been consistently, and you're facing another atrocious defense, that can't happen. The Bears defense was terrible, but Cutler didn't play well enough to win.


I did say he played well in the second half; the first half was garbage.

And he did play well enough to win - they were up one with less than a minute to go. Unless he directed the defense to concede the TD in the last seconds of the game, that loss isn't on him.

He shouldn't have let it be that close. Rodgers was playing poorly and the Bears defense has been awful all season. You even said yourself that last TD should've been expected.

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How many 3 and outs did the Bears have in the 1st half? When you know your defense is a bottom 3 unit and has been consistently, and you're facing another atrocious defense, that can't happen. The Bears defense was terrible, but Cutler didn't play well enough to win.


This is just a stupid trolling comment. Cutler played about as perfect a game as a QB can play with regards to the QBR he had in the 4th quarter which about doubled Rodgers' QBR.

Go troll somewhere else.

It's not trolling, it's a true statement. Rodgers played awful for most of the game and the Bears should have been up by 10+ at halftime. But instead he couldn't even get a first down on 3 or 4 different drives against a terrible defense. If you think he played close to perfect than you're either blind, a fool, or both.


Hey asshole, the Fox crew showed the stats and Cutler was at 148.3 QBR. I'm not sure what else he could have done to win this game. If the defense had a clue you fuckers would have lost. Again, go troll somewhere else until the Pack get whupped by the 9ers. I'll be sure to visit the Pack page.

The Pack won because the Bears defense sucked and they got a TD on a fluke play. Don't make it out that the Pack were so much better. You'd be foolish or blind to think so.

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How many 3 and outs did the Bears have in the 1st half? When you know your defense is a bottom 3 unit and has been consistently, and you're facing another atrocious defense, that can't happen. The Bears defense was terrible, but Cutler didn't play well enough to win.


I did say he played well in the second half; the first half was garbage.

And he did play well enough to win - they were up one with less than a minute to go. Unless he directed the defense to concede the TD in the last seconds of the game, that loss isn't on him.

He shouldn't have let it be that close. Rodgers was playing poorly and the Bears defense has been awful all season. You even said yourself that last TD should've been expected.


Let's not Romo-ize him. 28 points is more than enough to win. That's like blaming a clean-up hitter for failing to hit for 5 RBIs because 4 wasn't enough. At some point we have to establish a cut-off line for reasonable expectations for the QB, and 28 points seems to be a good place to start. After that, it's all about the defense.

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How many 3 and outs did the Bears have in the 1st half? When you know your defense is a bottom 3 unit and has been consistently, and you're facing another atrocious defense, that can't happen. The Bears defense was terrible, but Cutler didn't play well enough to win.


I did say he played well in the second half; the first half was garbage.

And he did play well enough to win - they were up one with less than a minute to go. Unless he directed the defense to concede the TD in the last seconds of the game, that loss isn't on him.

He shouldn't have let it be that close. Rodgers was playing poorly and the Bears defense has been awful all season. You even said yourself that last TD should've been expected.


Do you think Rodgers played better than Cutler?

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How many 3 and outs did the Bears have in the 1st half? When you know your defense is a bottom 3 unit and has been consistently, and you're facing another atrocious defense, that can't happen. The Bears defense was terrible, but Cutler didn't play well enough to win.


I did say he played well in the second half; the first half was garbage.

And he did play well enough to win - they were up one with less than a minute to go. Unless he directed the defense to concede the TD in the last seconds of the game, that loss isn't on him.

He shouldn't have let it be that close. Rodgers was playing poorly and the Bears defense has been awful all season. You even said yourself that last TD should've been expected.


Let's not Romo-ize him. 28 points is more than enough to win. That's like blaming a clean-up hitter for failing to hit for 5 RBIs because 4 wasn't enough. At some point we have to establish a cut-off line for reasonable expectations for the QB, and 28 points seems to be a good place to start. After that, it's all about the defense.


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I don't think the Pack were that much better. They were lucky to win. Lucky that the other team's perfect QB couldn't even get a first down on over 1/3rd of their drives.

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How many 3 and outs did the Bears have in the 1st half? When you know your defense is a bottom 3 unit and has been consistently, and you're facing another atrocious defense, that can't happen. The Bears defense was terrible, but Cutler didn't play well enough to win.


I did say he played well in the second half; the first half was garbage.

And he did play well enough to win - they were up one with less than a minute to go. Unless he directed the defense to concede the TD in the last seconds of the game, that loss isn't on him.

He shouldn't have let it be that close. Rodgers was playing poorly and the Bears defense has been awful all season. You even said yourself that last TD should've been expected.


Do you think Rodgers played better than Cutler?


He flat out did not. The stats speak for themselves.

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How many 3 and outs did the Bears have in the 1st half? When you know your defense is a bottom 3 unit and has been consistently, and you're facing another atrocious defense, that can't happen. The Bears defense was terrible, but Cutler didn't play well enough to win.


I did say he played well in the second half; the first half was garbage.

And he did play well enough to win - they were up one with less than a minute to go. Unless he directed the defense to concede the TD in the last seconds of the game, that loss isn't on him.

He shouldn't have let it be that close. Rodgers was playing poorly and the Bears defense has been awful all season. You even said yourself that last TD should've been expected.


Do you think Rodgers played better than Cutler?

No.

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I don't think the Pack were that much better. They were lucky to win. Lucky that the other team's perfect QB couldn't even get a first down on over 1/3rd of their drives.


Which might show that the Packers defense was better than the Bears.

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CB - stats aren't everything. Right now they have you foolishly arguing that Cutler played a perfect game. He put 7 points on the board in the entire first half against a defense every bit as bad as Chicago's.

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Cutler wasn't perfect, but he played well enough to win the game.

For the 2nd week in a row he is way down the list of reasons why the Bears lost.

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I don't think the Pack were that much better. They were lucky to win. Lucky that the other team's perfect QB couldn't even get a first down on over 1/3rd of their drives.


Which might show that the Packers defense was better than the Bears.

Except you forgot about the part where the Bears defense also stopped GB a few times in the first half.

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Cutler wasn't perfect, but he played well enough to win the game.

For the 2nd week in a row he is way down the list of reasons why the Bears lost.

How can you say that? If he played well enough to win, they would have won. Or did he hypothetically throw a TD in that last 35 seconds there?

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CB - stats aren't everything. Right now they have you foolishly arguing that Cutler played a perfect game. He put 7 points on the board in the entire first half against a defense every bit as bad as Chicago's.


So stats mean nothing? Cutler's game statistically is what it is. There is no arguing that. Rodgers played a poorer game than Cutler and was the recipient of some good fortune and bad Bears defense. If the lame-ass roughing the QB call doesn't stand along with the shitty Bears defense, the Pack would have lost by at least 10 points.

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How many 3 and outs did the Bears have in the 1st half? When you know your defense is a bottom 3 unit and has been consistently, and you're facing another atrocious defense, that can't happen. The Bears defense was terrible, but Cutler didn't play well enough to win.


I did say he played well in the second half; the first half was garbage.

And he did play well enough to win - they were up one with less than a minute to go. Unless he directed the defense to concede the TD in the last seconds of the game, that loss isn't on him.

He shouldn't have let it be that close. Rodgers was playing poorly and the Bears defense has been awful all season. You even said yourself that last TD should've been expected.


Do you think Rodgers played better than Cutler?

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I don't think the Pack were that much better. They were lucky to win. Lucky that the other team's perfect QB couldn't even get a first down on over 1/3rd of their drives.


Which might show that the Packers defense was better than the Bears.

Except you forgot about the part where the Bears defense also stopped GB a few times in the first half.


They did not stop them enough. I think all sides can see that.

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Cutler wasn't perfect, but he played well enough to win the game.

For the 2nd week in a row he is way down the list of reasons why the Bears lost.

How can you say that? If he played well enough to win, they would have won. Or did he hypothetically throw a TD in that last 35 seconds there?


The win or loss is not just based on how he plays though.

So if the Bears win and Cutler throws 3 picks in the process and looks horrible, then he still played well enough to win?

There have been several times in his time with the Bears that he has looked bad and the Bears still won. Today he played well and yet the team lost the game.

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CB - stats aren't everything. Right now they have you foolishly arguing that Cutler played a perfect game. He put 7 points on the board in the entire first half against a defense every bit as bad as Chicago's.


So stats mean nothing? Cutler's game statistically is what it is. There is no arguing that. Rodgers played a poorer game than Cutler and was the recipient of some good fortune and bad Bears defense. If the lame-ass roughing the QB call doesn't stand along with the shitty Bears defense, the Pack would have lost by at least 10 points.

Your QB had a terrible game and the stats prove it.

Our QB is better than cutler and everyone including Cutler knows it. So if he had a terrible game the Bears D gets some credit for that.

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I don't think the Pack were that much better. They were lucky to win. Lucky that the other team's perfect QB couldn't even get a first down on over 1/3rd of their drives.


Which might show that the Packers defense was better than the Bears.

Except you forgot about the part where the Bears defense also stopped GB a few times in the first half.


They did not stop them enough. I think all sides can see that.

All sides can see that. True. All sides can see that GB did stop Cutler enough also.

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Which might show that the Packers defense was better than the Bears.[/quote]
Except you forgot about the part where the Bears defense also stopped GB a few times in the first half.[/quote]

They did not stop them enough. I think all sides can see that.[/quote]
All sides can see that. True. All sides can see that GB did stop Cutler enough also.[/quote]

That is without a doubt.

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CB - stats aren't everything. Right now they have you foolishly arguing that Cutler played a perfect game. He put 7 points on the board in the entire first half against a defense every bit as bad as Chicago's.


So stats mean nothing? Cutler's game statistically is what it is. There is no arguing that. Rodgers played a poorer game than Cutler and was the recipient of some good fortune and bad Bears defense. If the lame-ass roughing the QB call doesn't stand along with the shitty Bears defense, the Pack would have lost by at least 10 points.

Your QB had a terrible game and the stats prove it.

Our QB is better than cutler and everyone including Cutler knows it. So if he had a terrible game the Bears D gets some credit for that.


Wrong. Throwing to Chris Conte in the endzone is a big mistake. Rodgers is better than Cutler, but not today he wasn't.

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Yeah, I'll get to it tomorrow.

Tainted victory for you with Flynn not playing. But, enjoy that tainted win.

Well, I told you Rodgers would play. It was obvious destiny. I laughed when everyone at the Score was surprised. So obvious. If there's something I missed, it's that the game was close. Stupid me. I should have known we'd lose in agonizing fashion. Of course.

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I'll just say this: losing due to, in part, failure to recognize that a ball is live and there for the taking is not the sign of a well-coached team.

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I'll just say this: losing due to, in part, failure to recognize that a ball is live and there for the taking is not the sign of a well-coached team.

I caught some post-game on 1000, and Anthony Adams was beside himself. He said if you get a football for your kid on Christmas, and he opens the present and somehow manages to drop it, you get the ball and score. He said they drilled that constantly under Lovie. So there might actually be something to that.

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How many 3 and outs did the Bears have in the 1st half? When you know your defense is a bottom 3 unit and has been consistently, and you're facing another atrocious defense, that can't happen. The Bears defense was terrible, but Cutler didn't play well enough to win.


I did say he played well in the second half; the first half was garbage.

And he did play well enough to win - they were up one with less than a minute to go. Unless he directed the defense to concede the TD in the last seconds of the game, that loss isn't on him.

He shouldn't have let it be that close. Rodgers was playing poorly and the Bears defense has been awful all season. You even said yourself that last TD should've been expected.


Let's not Romo-ize him. 28 points is more than enough to win. That's like blaming a clean-up hitter for failing to hit for 5 RBIs because 4 wasn't enough. At some point we have to establish a cut-off line for reasonable expectations for the QB, and 28 points seems to be a good place to start. After that, it's all about the defense.


The defense and the Special Teams played a major role in half of those points IIRC.

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Might have been his one chance.


I'm afraid that Rodgers will be even better and I'm afraid they are going to put more talent around him and might actually hire a good defensive coordinator. This doesn't look for my Bears.


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Cutler wasn't perfect, but he played well enough to win the game.

For the 2nd week in a row he is way down the list of reasons why the Bears lost.


The problem is he is NEVER the reason why they won. The Bears are about to invest a shit load of money into a player that isn't a difference maker. He does enough where a L usually doesn't fall on his shoulders. To make $17M a year you need to be a difference maker. He hasn't even been responsible for a playoff win.

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