Except any mention of Bennett had to be dragged out of you. You immediately said "That play was Jay's mistake" - and left it at that.

If nobody responds, that's the end of your thoughts on that play. And again, that would be wrong because at least 50% of the responsibility on that play is Bennett's. But 100% of the blame was on Jay.

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How so?

The team was built as follows:
Top-5 offense built around Cutler
Top 10-20 defense

One part is holding up their part of the deal.

You didn't even quote me right. Please note the use of the word "also" meaning "in addition". I'm sorry if it was not clear.

Anyways, you acknowledge that it was a mistake on Jay's part too so there really is no point in arguing more about this topic.

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I quoted you right the first time. The "also" is not a part of this topic...

I've always said that Jay shares some of the blame. But he's not the biggest reason they are struggling. But many people fail to grasp that.

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But that is Jay's fault for throwing that ball, even if he ran the route short, as a quarterback you have to know you can't throw the ball there. Throw the damn thing in the 3rd row, you can't come away without any points.

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I think Trestman, the rest of the coaches and Emery should be fired at the end of the year but no one is arguing with me about how they are actually doing really well this year.

There is just a large contingent on the board that will always defend Jay Cutler and I end up on the other side.

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If a person believes that Bennett shares no blame on that play, then that's a totally different perspective than what I'm talking about.

And it's an incorrect perspective. The receiver has to get to the end zone. Otherwise there is essentially no point in him even being on the field on that play. He HAD to get himself in the end zone.

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I think it's kinda the opposite.

There is a large contingent (not just on the board) that blame Jay no matter what 100%, and then people that actually watch football have to point out to them that defense is terrible, the coaching is questionable, and that the special teams would be better off not existing. It's not "all Jay". But you are allowed to think that.

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You are still changing my thoughts. I definitely put blame on Bennett. You just choose to prejudge all of my thoughts in thinking that I'm always just blaming Jay Cutler. If I'm putting all the blame on Jay Cutler I'll have no problem making that clear.
Talking about the whole season, who gets more shares of blame than Cutler?

Emery, Trestman and the coaches seem to be an easy and correct answer. However, what players are you also putting ahead of him?

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So, let's fire Emery and Trestman and the rest of the coaches at the end of the season. Sound good?

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Here is my list:

The defense
Special teams
The defense
The defense
The defense


I'd put ST on there more, because they really suck, but they are on the field once every 10 plays or so. Maybe less.



I am absolutely blown away that people think Jay is more to blame than this god-awful defense. I can't even wrap my big ass head around it.

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Edwin Jackson is also the only reason the Cubs failed to make the playoffs this year.

Alejandro DeAza? Thanks for costing us the season you dick. Thats why the Sox traded your ass.

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Why did Jay make the decision to throw him the ball? And yes for the 800th time he ran the wrong route.

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The closer comparison IMO is "OMG, CRAWFORD LET IN A TERRIBLE GOAL!!!! HE SUCKS SO BAD!!!!"

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Statistically, the defense hasn't been god-awful though. 23rd in ppg and 17th in ypg with the advanced but unreliable defensive statistics also putting them anywhere from average to below average but not terrible.

Let me be clear though. The defense has been a problem too. I say we fire all the coaches and the GM because of it. You have to agree right?

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Excluding the Packers game the defense has done it's job.

To hopefully sum it up, but not really as there are at least 30 more pages to go in this thread:

If we are simply saying that Jay Cutler is an above average quarterback that plays well enough not to be the reason you win or lose and we really shouldn't hold him to any higher standard then that then I don't really see much point in arguing about his success or failures during a game. He's basically Alex Smith or the guy I love because he shook my hand once.

Now, let's talk about how stupid Phil Emery is for making that guy the highest paid quarterback in the league!

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I will add that that is better than 31st-32nd.

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Elections have consequences.

Right, you get my overall point.

With the Hawks starting tonite, I now expect to see "CRAWFORD SUCKS" almost daily in my Facebook news feed. Yay!

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Cutler has to have a partner

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GO BEARS!!!

Whatever works. It helps the guy up north;

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Just for the record, the advanced stats say that Jay Cutler had three of the top five destructive plays during week one(loss) and one of them in the previous week along with Forte.

It is a valid point to put a good amount of blame on Cutler for Buffalo and Carolina and that doesn't even include the Packers game which we all know what happened.

His overall play has been pretty good but his mistakes have really derailed things for the Bears.

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Advance stats don't work in football.

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I'd tend to agree with you but those stats do a halfway decent job of highlighting the impact that certain plays had on a game. I wouldn't say "Jay Cutler lost the game because the nerds say he damaged them the most".

Frank seemingly is saying that it is dumb to blame a player for losses because other players are there too.

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Frank (and others) are saying, correctly I might add, that is it dumb to blame one player for losses when other players/coaches are clearly at fault as well.

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Once again, I haven't put all of the blame on Cutler. Please start to acknowledge this.

It would be like me saying that you put no blame on Cutler. Don't take it to an extreme just to try and strengthen your point.

I want the coaches and GM to be fired. I'm clearly not putting 100% of the blame on Cutler. The problem is no one seems to want to argue as to why Trestman or Emery should keep their jobs.

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I'll argue that. They should keep their jobs because they haven't been here long enough to know for sure. In fact, just to make sure they get a fair shot, I think it would be only right to extend both for 5 more years and revisit this in 2019.

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I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I endorse this as well. No reason for the train to jump off of the tracks.

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