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 Post subject: Re: NE Patriots @ Bears
PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:21 am 
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what happened was something like,

People: "Caleb Williams is a Generational Talent. No-brainer 1st overall pick. Even if the Bears did not have 1st overall they would be smart to trade all their future
firsts to move up to take Williams in the draft."

Other People: "Hey, if this Caleb Williams fella's such a generational talent QB, how comes he lost 5 of his last 6 college starts,
went .500 2nd half of seasons after feasting on FC-Less patsies early in the season and went 0-3 against Utah?"

People: "Don't be stupid. Those losses are on the coach, the offensive scheme, USC's O-Line, and Caleb was wearing the wrong shade of fingernail polish for the Utah games."

Miller Moss took over the same roster with the same coach and same o-line and offensive scheme in the same season and blew the doors off a top 20 opponent in a bowl game.

The point of the Miller Moss thing was never Miller Moss is the 2nd coming of Sid Luckman. It was asking how it is that some dude who looks like an extra on Beverly Hills
90210 managed to post USC's best win last season with the same coaches/scheme/o-line/etc as Caleb Williams led to loss after loss after loss after loss after loss.



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Not sure what Justin Fields has to do with Caleb Williams going .500 in conference, below .500 career against ranked teams and 0 for against Utah with USC's top 8 recruiting class and top 3 transfer portal class?

The same Ferrari roster Caleb Williams drove into the ditch against Utah/half the PAC 12 this dork got behind the wheel and destroyed a top 20 team in USC's bowl game. Miller Moss matched Caleb Williams best 6 TD performance and Moss did it against a ranked team; while C-Will could only muster 1 or 2 or 0 TD passes against any team not the growling Wolfpack of Nevada or Prime Time's zero-defense Colorado team:

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 Post subject: Re: NE Patriots @ Bears
PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:25 am 
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Hussra wrote:
The point of the Miller Moss thing was never Miller Moss is the 2nd coming of Sid Luckman. It was asking how it is that some dude who looks like an extra on Beverly Hills
90210 managed to post USC's best win last season with the same coaches/scheme/o-line/etc as Caleb Williams led to loss after loss after loss after loss after loss.
It was one game and bowl games are basically exhibitions now.

The problem though is that you carried it over to this season with Miller Moss. If he was a Heisman favorite I guarantee you would be proclaiming it matters in regards to Williams. The fact that he was benched also matters too then.

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 Post subject: Re: NE Patriots @ Bears
PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:33 am 
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Brick wrote:
Hussra wrote:
The point of the Miller Moss thing was never Miller Moss is the 2nd coming of Sid Luckman. It was asking how it is that some dude who looks like an extra on Beverly Hills
90210 managed to post USC's best win last season with the same coaches/scheme/o-line/etc as Caleb Williams led to loss after loss after loss after loss after loss.
It was one game and bowl games are basically exhibitions now.

The problem though is that you carried it over to this season with Miller Moss. If he was a Heisman favorite I guarantee you would be proclaiming it matters in regards to Williams. The fact that he was benched also matters too then.

I thought the problem was that the Miller Moss fanfic is starting to include pictures.

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 Post subject: Re: NE Patriots @ Bears
PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:54 am 
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Hussra wrote:
what happened was something like,

People: "Caleb Williams is a Generational Talent. No-brainer 1st overall pick. Even if the Bears did not have 1st overall they would be smart to trade all their future
firsts to move up to take Williams in the draft."

Other People: "Hey, if this Caleb Williams fella's such a generational talent QB, how comes he lost 5 of his last 6 college starts,
went .500 2nd half of seasons after feasting on FC-Less patsies early in the season and went 0-3 against Utah?"

People: "Don't be stupid. Those losses are on the coach, the offensive scheme, USC's O-Line, and Caleb was wearing the wrong shade of fingernail polish for the Utah games."

Miller Moss took over the same roster with the same coach and same o-line and offensive scheme in the same season and blew the doors off a top 20 opponent in a bowl game.

The point of the Miller Moss thing was never Miller Moss is the 2nd coming of Sid Luckman. It was asking how it is that some dude who looks like an extra on Beverly Hills
90210 managed to post USC's best win last season with the same coaches/scheme/o-line/etc as Caleb Williams led to loss after loss after loss after loss after loss.



Hussra wrote:

Not sure what Justin Fields has to do with Caleb Williams going .500 in conference, below .500 career against ranked teams and 0 for against Utah with USC's top 8 recruiting class and top 3 transfer portal class?

The same Ferrari roster Caleb Williams drove into the ditch against Utah/half the PAC 12 this dork got behind the wheel and destroyed a top 20 team in USC's bowl game. Miller Moss matched Caleb Williams best 6 TD performance and Moss did it against a ranked team; while C-Will could only muster 1 or 2 or 0 TD passes against any team not the growling Wolfpack of Nevada or Prime Time's zero-defense Colorado team:

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 Post subject: Re: NE Patriots @ Bears
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Caleb Williams is good, he just needs a better offensive line.”<br><br>Also Caleb Williams: <a href="https://t.co/2xNfgACXTb">pic.twitter.com/2xNfgACXTb</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Moore (@iJordanMoore) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJordanMoore/status/1855998349771518414?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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 Post subject: Re: NE Patriots @ Bears
PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:14 pm 
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USA wrote:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Caleb Williams is good, he just needs a better offensive line.”<br><br>Also Caleb Williams: <a href="https://t.co/2xNfgACXTb">pic.twitter.com/2xNfgACXTb</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Moore (@iJordanMoore) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJordanMoore/status/1855998349771518414?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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 Post subject: Re: NE Patriots @ Bears
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Guys it’s the scheme. Once the scheme is better those will all be touchdowns. Generational talent baby!!


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 Post subject: Re: NE Patriots @ Bears
PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:44 pm 
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USA wrote:
Guys it’s the scheme. Once the scheme is better those will all be touchdowns. Generational talent baby!!


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 Post subject: Re: NE Patriots @ Bears
PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:20 pm 
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from the Herald :





Looking at the numbers, this looks like a total organizational failure. The quarterback didn’t play well. The offensive line didn’t protect him. The wide receivers weren’t open. The numbers bear that out.

Williams’ time to throw in Week 10 was 2.79 seconds, per NFL Next Gen Stats. This metric had steadily been going up in recent weeks. On Sunday, it plummeted.

The Bears were playing without their starting offensive tackles. They lost their starting left guard mid-game. By the second half, they were playing with only one starter from Week 1. Not many offenses can overcome attrition like that.

Williams’ 2.79 seconds to throw — which measures how long it takes the QB to throw the football or get sacked — was his third-shortest of the season, behind only Weeks 1 and 2.

With the offensive line in tatters, the Patriots blitzed on 48.8% of dropbacks. It was the highest blitz rate Williams has dealt with so far. That led to QB pressures on 43.9% of dropbacks, which was only his fifth-worst game in that metric. The median QB pressure rate right now across the league is just over 35%. Williams has faced more pressure than that in six of nine games.


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