There's a way to enjoy BRick's posts. You're going to be miserable if you respond this way.

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I must not be in on the joke, apparently. If it's a bit, I'll play along. I don't want to be a prick if it's not necessary.

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Jerry Angelo is clearly the best

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

What is your deal? All three of your posts to me have had personal attacks because I think a GM who is 14-34, with very little reason for optimism for next year outside of "(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is Goff" is not good at his job.

I'd love to be optimistic about the Bears but when you see very little to be excited about besides some cherry picked "good moves", some of which he literally just got rid of.

What year does Pace get us to the playoffs?

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America loves Pace.

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It's not a bit. Pace is not good at his job. This rebuild has been very slow, and most concerning is that he is now using free agency to try and fix mistakes he made already with a team that hasn't marginally improved yet under his time here.

If you want to be Mr. Happy Sunshine about the Bears then tell me your expectations for the next 3 years with Pace and then we can see who was closer to correct.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It's not a bit. He responded to you again. Don't take his posts as a personal attack on you. He provides opinions usually based on facts.

People ignore what he writes. Try to understand where he is coming from. Then you'll reach a point of agree to disagree.

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What about France?

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Aside from Robinson this was an extremely disappointing free agent haul and the roster was not transformed the way we were told it would be. If Meredith walks that would be the turning point for me on Pace.

I put the question back to you about how you'd do things better and where Pace has gone wrong, and you point to the W-L record. That's like saying, "my fried chicken wasn't tasty enough," then when asked why, you point in the general direction of a chicken farm.

These aren't personal attacks at all. If you're giving me this, "you can't handle it" crap and avoiding an actual discussion, I'm not gonna show respect. I'm not trying to force optimism down anyone's throats nor do I at all object to fan cynicism and doubt. Just explain yourself beyond "they lose." That's not good enough.

And for all I know they're in the playoffs in 2018. I have no clue how or when or why the Bears will get to the playoffs because there's too many question marks going into this season. If they look like shit in 2018, like real wet hot sauce rectal water shit, then any kind words of patience I have for Pace will get tossed out the window because he'll clearly have fucked up really, really badly.

But we don't know anything yet. This is the point of the year where everything looks great on paper and until they actually go out there and see how they size up, all we can do is feel how we choose to feel. I choose to feel good about things. A lot of people don't. That's all good.

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BRick is not the Bears' GM. It's not his job to do better than Pace. It's Pace's job to do better than the other 31 GM's.

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Agree to disagree. Your reasons are just as colloquial, subjective, and cherry-picked as mine, if not drastically more so.







Inherently false. The record is not indicative of the roster and you know that.



Honestly I think Pace has 2 years. If they finish sub-.500 with more injury woes and no progression for Floyd & (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, the whole thing's going to get torn down again. I believe the arrow is pointed in the right direction, but I'm honestly not Mr. Happy Sunshine about everything. I'm simply trying to be rational and patient, keeping an open mind and seeing how things play out.



I try. I don't WANT to be an asshole, but people who are determined to make their stance, "everything sucks and I could do it better" really chap my ass.



Never said BRick was the GM, but he and a great many other fans clearly dislike where the Bears are at and moves they choose to make, and get very vocal about how they're doing the wrong thing. If it's so obvious, I want to hear what the right thing to do is. When people say, "well...well it's not THAT move, I know that for sure!" without offering any alternative, it tells me it's just hollow bitching.

And this being a message board, hollow bitching is the very lifeblood of it's purpose, so I guess maybe I should lighten up.

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This team doesn't win 8 games next year or any year after that until Pace is gone. He is clearly in over his head and I have zero confidence he will draft impact players the next couple years to fix his many mistakes. You can't patch holes with FA's every dam year!

Did you forget that you called me a "spineless asshole"?

It's also not my job to be a "better" GM than Ryan Pace. I shouldn't be an NFL GM.

However, I will respond why I think Pace is not good at his job. Hopefully he "learns on the job" and eventually isn't bad.

Let's start with his best move of the offseason.
Allen Robinson: This is a great move but it's trying to correct his inability to find any sort of difference maker at WR when he let one walk who at a minimum could have helped his prized rookie QB adjust to the NFL. Let me also point out that besides White, who is a bust but probably more for injuries, he only used one 7th round pick on a bum at WR in his 3 years. Taylor Gabriel also can hopefully provide something. However, these moves are covering up major issues with his drafting at the position.
He also signed a decent TE, but given he spent a 2nd round pick on Shaheen he better hope that both of them work out next year.
The price he paid for Kyle Fuller has been pretty universally mocked on here but maybe it will be fine.
He's made two great running back picks but he's actively shopping his best pick because he doesn't fit in the system he just hired. Concerning.
He got fleeced with the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky pick by the 49ers. Those picks would be very nice to have for a rebuilding team. Don't give me the crap about how he "got them back" either because he traded down in round 2.
Hiring Fox was a disaster.
Signing Glennon was a disaster.
Signings like Sitton may have been ok but he is already gone so you can't really consider it a good signing given it had no impact on the rebuild.

And yes, the team being bad, with them likely being bad to average in year 4 matters. This is the NFL. It's not a 6 year plan to rebuild. The guy before him was bad but they should be more competitive than they are in a league where worst to first happens all the time.

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What? There is very little talent on this roster. That's why they are being so active in free agency. In fairness, it has done some improving but building through free agency is rarely successful.
You aren't being rational though. Pace, if he quit football today, would be considered bad at his job. You just think he may end up not being bad at his job which is fine. I think it's unlikely but obviously it's possible.

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I don't think it's quite as cut and dry as that, but generally I agree with you. There needs to be clear visible improvement from this team, and it needs to start resulting in wins.



Not true.



Fair enough. That's a dismal outlook, but if that's how you want to go about it....



That's a drastic oversimplification of his tenure, and not really accurate to how it's played out.

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No, but considering what people are getting called in the political threads around here, this feels relatively tame as far as insults go. Plus I found it amusing that you tell me I "can't handle it," but then get all ruffled when somebody doesn't put up with bullshit answers.



I'm not saying it's anyone's job. I simply asked for what moves would've been better or would you have agreed with.



Honestly dude this is all I wanted to read from you. This is good stuff. I agree with almost everything in this quote besides the bolded portion, which makes me shake my head sadly that you're one of those tinfoil hat wearing dudes over the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky trade. It's way too early to call this thing a fleecing. That will take years before we can analyze that exchange with any degree of dishing out returns.

I don't think Fox's hiring was a disaster based on the context of the time. I don't have any love whatsoever for Fox nor was I jumping around high-fiving when he was hired. I felt like he was a good but not great hire for a team that was drowning in a well of failure. It gave them momentum.



(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, Floyd, Goldman, Whitehair, Amos, Jackson, Cohen, Howard, Hicks, Trevathan, Long, Robinson, Leno, Fuller, Burton -- none of those guys are talented?

I think they're all quite talented. To what ceiling is debatable, but I believe they're exceptionally talented.

There is a long way to go with the team, sure, but to simply say there's nothing here is unreasonable.

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Technically no one has a spine in their asshole. Not a personal attack.

If you had a spine in your asshole and Dewskie called you out for it, then yes personal attack.

If anything, a spine in one's asshole would be an incredibly unpleasant experience at best. I'm imagining a porcupine quill jarred into a winking brown-eye.

So that would make what I said nearly complimentary.

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After reading through some of the last few responses.. I'm more in agreement with Brick on Pace being bad at his job than not. I'm trying to be optimistic about each season, but my gut is telling me Pace needs to get lucky with something to be successful. He comes across like a guy that doesn't really have a plan to me. I know I'm speaking in broad terms here, but that's how I feel atm -and it's not like I've never gone into detail on this subject before.


Just my 2 cents

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

It was a fleecing. You can say that now. It may work out for the Bears if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is really good but there was no reason to do that trade. I view quarterbacks a little different. I don't think anyone is smart enough to know that one guy is going to work out. You can have a higher chance but even as we are seeing with Andrew Luck it's basically a lottery ticket. Moving up one spot when you were locked into getting one of the top two is a fleecing. Even a year later it is obvious that Watson and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky are still similar prospects(and if you really had to choose you would take Watson right now).

The only defense for that move is if Pace not only thought (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had a high chance of being great but he didn't think Watson had a good chance of being great.

We can't really judge it that way. Very few moves look like a disaster immediately. It's still a huge negative on him to the point that some try and argue he gets a pass specifically because Fox was forced on him.

Most of those are either too young to know, or just guys. Ironically, Howard is active trade bait as the biggest talent on the team.

If that is true, and the Bears had a good offseason, and hired a very good coach then we should expect them to be a playoff contender this year.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Save up your energy for our annual post draft arguments Dewskie. I don't want you wasting it all on Rick.

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And men have lost their reason.

See Dewskie, it works!

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Let's say there isn't.

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Elections have consequences.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

This board is hopeless.

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A. FF is a Packer backer.

B. Kevin White to this point has been an unmitigated disaster. If by some miracle he turns it around, then we'll see.

C. I got nothing.

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I love your optimism. For me the off-season is a time to complain and demand perfection and training camp is the time to start drinking the kool-aid.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

There are a few optimists here.

RFDC
Maybe Spaulding?
Nas

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It's baffling to me because I have never thought of myself as an optimist so much as trying my best to be reasonable. I think it's a lot easier and lazier to simply jump to the conclusions. It takes a little effort to play devil's advocate and sometimes even question your own doubts.

I feel like the Bears need somebody to at least be patient with them, and it's not like I'm giving them any passes. I get fucking furious with the Bears and often am embarrassed to be associated with them at times, but I use these times of year to keep an open mind and try to see the best outcome. I feel happier in doing this.

Many others do not, and I should obviously know better when it comes to a few Bears luminaries around here that keep a strong fibrous diet rolling so that they can take a firm, rocky shit on every decision they make and every person they employ, because fuck 'em, they don't win. Lazy stuff.

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