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I think Bears’ fans should be in expectations management mode. How likely is it that Poles flawlessly executes a plan with 1/1 that nets a great player and several first rounders?

So much of it seems like luck & circumstances, some of which are impossible to know until draft time.

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The Eagles OL is just dominant at this point. They have invested significant draft capital.

LT - 1st round Oklahoma
LG - 2nd round Alabama
RG - 3rd round Oregon State

They are drafting power conference guys high in the draft. The Bears are running UDFAs, other teams retreads, and late round non-power five conference guys.

What did Big Doug always say, the keys to football are: run the ball, stop the run, and pressure the QB. If you want to run the ball and keep pressure off your QB, you aren't going to do it with how the Bears have assembled offensive lines for the past 15 years.


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Seacrest wrote:
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Ranked 8th best rookie class this year without a 1st round pick.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ch ... b603975f6c


The list was only based on how much production teams got out of their players in their first season.


Yes... because all you can get is first season production from a rookie class


but bad teams have more opportunities for rookies to play

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:21 am 
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Seacrest wrote:
"We have a lot of holes to fill on our roster and we are open for business to add as many draft picks as we can!!"

Ryan Poles will be telling everyone who calls him this very thing up until he goes on the clock.

A few well timed rumors to the likes of Adam Shefter and some well know agents, and off we go.


These are the pre draft words I want to hear:

"We have heard that the X absolutely fell in love with QB X after one on one interviews"

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The Eagles OL is just dominant at this point. They have invested significant draft capital.

LT - 1st round Oklahoma
LG - 2nd round Alabama
RG - 3rd round Oregon State

They are drafting power conference guys high in the draft. The Bears are running UDFAs, other teams retreads, and late round non-power five conference guys.

What did Big Doug always say, the keys to football are: run the ball, stop the run, and pressure the QB. If you want to run the ball and keep pressure off your QB, you aren't going to do it with how the Bears have assembled offensive lines for the past 15 years.



Um, what are you talking about, their starting left tackle, Jordan Mailata, was a 7th round pick who didn't even play college football. They did draft Andre Dillard in the first round of 2019 to play left tackle but he has been hurt and is currently a reserve. Here is where an in-person report of their offensive line may have helped you.


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Clawmaster wrote:
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I think there might be an opportunity to trade down three times and still be in the top 10.

That would really be something if they came out of this draft with 3 additional first round picks next year and their own as well.

Not only is draft time when some NFL GMs go crazy, but many fans also go insane.


Have to hand it to the NFL, they have found a way to create immense interest in the offseason which keeps the league relevant for most of the year.

The draft coverage started with Hubert Arkush hiring some rather odd dudes to write up draft guides and has morphed into a huge industry with even stranger dudes like Mel Kiper being trotted out for months at a time and went from teams writing the names of the draftees on note cards and passing them to the commissioner in a smoke filled back room to prime time coverage on multiple networks.

You get the fanbase of every team involved as there is always the hope that the young dude running around in his underwear at the combine could be the dude that leads your team to the promised land.


It's really ridiculous. There are guys who I really like after doing some research. I rip on management when they don't draft him. Then I forget about him entirely only to ask myself "who is that guy? I never heard of him." when he does something good in a game 2-3 years down the line

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
I think Bears’ fans should be in expectations management mode. How likely is it that Poles flawlessly executes a plan with 1/1 that nets a great player and several first rounders?

So much of it seems like luck & circumstances, some of which are impossible to know until draft time.


I would be happy as could be if the Bears only move down one spot, only get Houston's second and still draft Mark Anderson.

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I think Bears’ fans should be in expectations management mode. How likely is it that Poles flawlessly executes a plan with 1/1 that nets a great player and several first rounders?

So much of it seems like luck & circumstances, some of which are impossible to know until draft time.


I would be happy as could be if the Bears only move down one spot, only get Houston's second and still draft Mark Anderson.


I don't want a Mark Anderson!

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good dolphin wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
"We have a lot of holes to fill on our roster and we are open for business to add as many draft picks as we can!!"

Ryan Poles will be telling everyone who calls him this very thing up until he goes on the clock.

A few well timed rumors to the likes of Adam Shefter and some well know agents, and off we go.


These are the pre draft words I want to hear:

"We have heard that the X absolutely fell in love with QB X after one on one interviews"


No one will believe that.

And if you have the wrong QB name, poof goes any hope of trading.

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Caller Bob wrote:
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The Eagles OL is just dominant at this point. They have invested significant draft capital.

LT - 1st round Oklahoma
LG - 2nd round Alabama
RG - 3rd round Oregon State

They are drafting power conference guys high in the draft. The Bears are running UDFAs, other teams retreads, and late round non-power five conference guys.

What did Big Doug always say, the keys to football are: run the ball, stop the run, and pressure the QB. If you want to run the ball and keep pressure off your QB, you aren't going to do it with how the Bears have assembled offensive lines for the past 15 years.



Um, what are you talking about, their starting left tackle, Jordan Mailata, was a 7th round pick who didn't even play college football. They did draft Andre Dillard in the first round of 2019 to play left tackle but he has been hurt and is currently a reserve. Here is where an in-person report of their offensive line may have helped you.


You can either

(a) recognize with plenty of context clues (Oklahoma, 1st round pick) that I meant to type RT instead of left tackle; or
(b) continue to be a worthless poster here on a daily basis.

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But the best player on their line, at the most critical position was a late round pick, who didn't attend a power conference..heck he didn't even go to college, so it kind of blows your theory to shreds.


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Trade to 2 then trade to 4 then trade to something in the 7-9 range.

Pick up 2 more firsts this year, two firsts next year, a first in 2025, a second this year, a second next year, and enough other picks to turn into a half dozen of this year's fourths. Use one of the fourths on a flier for a developmental backup QB in case Fields gets killed during a game.

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Caller Bob wrote:
But the best player on their line, at the most critical position was a late round pick, who didn't attend a power conference..heck he didn't even go to college, so it kind of blows your theory to shreds.


Your theory is that because the best OL in the league has three high power five draft picks on it, but arguably the best player on the line is not the same as those guys is a reason NOT to invest early in the draft in your OL?

Ok bud.

The Bears getting all of their OL guys in the late rounds from shit school is exactly the reason the OL has been shit since the mid-2000s.

"The Eagles got this guy in the 6th round so we should exclusively draft 6th round OL dudes" is a great policy if you like your QB concussed.

Another great theory from Outlier Bob...


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An interesting discussion, but if you look at the top NFL o lines you see at least one first rounder (usually one of the tackles) and numerous 2nd and 3rd round picks, maybe an outlier or two, but for the most part teams have invested substantial early round draft capital, especially Detroit and Indy.

Bad teams like the Bears, who almost inexplicably failed to draft an OT in the first 3 rounds for years, fail to value o line talent.

Good teams seem to always draft O and D line in the first few rounds every year while teams like the Bears squander away picks chasing guys to fix draft failures, from 2017 to 2022 the Bears drafted one OT and zero defensive linemen in the first three rounds, you can see how that worked out.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTT6Iaht9eg

Brett Kollman gives a detailed plan for the bears. trades, FA's contract estimates, cap analysis, draft picks. i enjoyed it


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billypootons wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTT6Iaht9eg

Brett Kollman gives a detailed plan for the bears. trades, FA's contract estimates, cap analysis, draft picks. i enjoyed it


Trading a future first for Tunsil is Pace like dumb. I'd rather just outright sign Orlando Brown Jr(granted he's not quite as good as Tunsil).


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Caller Bob wrote:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTT6Iaht9eg

Brett Kollman gives a detailed plan for the bears. trades, FA's contract estimates, cap analysis, draft picks. i enjoyed it


Trading a future first for Tunsil is Pace like dumb. I'd rather just outright sign Orlando Brown Jr(granted he's not quite as good as Tunsil).


I agree. He included a 3rd in that too. We don't know if Orlando Brown will be a free agent though.

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Indy's first next year could be a top 5 pick, and give you a dude like Marvin Harrison Jr...no way you trade that away.


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Indy's first next year could be a top 5 pick, and give you a dude like Marvin Harrison Jr...no way you trade that away.


I completely agree. You roll with Jones at LT again before passing up a chance to get a HoF talent in 2024. Plus the Bears would lose chips that could be used to trade up for Caleb Williams if Fields doesn't get better.

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billypootons wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTT6Iaht9eg

Brett Kollman gives a detailed plan for the bears. trades, FA's contract estimates, cap analysis, draft picks. i enjoyed it


Maybe instead of stupidly drafting "EDGE" player Leonard Floyd in 2016, the Bears should have just drafted the best OL available in the draft, Tunsil, and more or less had the best LT in football for the better part of a decade.


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Indy's first next year could be a top 5 pick, and give you a dude like Marvin Harrison Jr...no way you trade that away.

He will never be the weapon his father was.

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Indy's first next year could be a top 5 pick, and give you a dude like Marvin Harrison Jr...no way you trade that away.

He will never be the weapon his father was.


That's dumb take. He's 4 inches taller than his dad and is already the best route runner in college football. He would be a top 5 pick easily this year if eligible.


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its a dumb take to think he wont be in the HOF like his dad? oh wait hes 4 INCHES TALLER


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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
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Indy's first next year could be a top 5 pick, and give you a dude like Marvin Harrison Jr...no way you trade that away.

He will never be the weapon his father was.


His father was a shooter.

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Anything can happen between now and his pro career, hell he could get busted with prostitutes' in his car like his dad, but if you watch college football (I'm guessing you two old farts don't) you would realize he is easily as talented as his dad. Now he probably won't have the luck of playing with a quarterback like Peyton Manning that' for sure.


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Anything can happen between now and his pro career, hell he could get busted with prostitutes' in his car like his dad, but if you watch college football (I'm guessing you two old farts don't) you would realize he is easily as talented as his dad. Now he probably won't have the luck of playing with a quarterback like Peyton Manning that' for sure.

c'mon man. im pulling for the kid too but you have no idea if he is "easily" as talented as his dad, that'd a ridiculous statement. I do like the way you have already set up his future QB's for full accountability when he doesn't measure up to Sr.'s career.


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Caller Bob wrote:
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Indy's first next year could be a top 5 pick, and give you a dude like Marvin Harrison Jr...no way you trade that away.

He will never be the weapon his father was.


That's dumb take. He's 4 inches taller than his dad and is already the best route runner in college football. He would be a top 5 pick easily this year if eligible.


WHOOSH.....

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I think Harrison Jr is going to be a stud. I could see in in that Chase and Jefferson tier.

The Bears can increase their odds of getting a top 5 pick by making trades with teams in the NFC and AFC South.

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I think Harrison Jr is going to be a stud. I could see in in that Chase and Jefferson tier.

The Bears can increase their odds of getting a top 5 pick by making trades with teams in the NFC and AFC South.

I saw that New Orleans is $57M over the cap. Did I understand that correctly?

Get them to package $$ of cap hits along with the future first round pick they got from Denver for them hiring Payton in exchange for some piece of garbage like Mustipher.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
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Indy's first next year could be a top 5 pick, and give you a dude like Marvin Harrison Jr...no way you trade that away.

He will never be the weapon his father was.


That's dumb take. He's 4 inches taller than his dad and is already the best route runner in college football. He would be a top 5 pick easily this year if eligible.


WHOOSH.....

I can't believe I missed that :(


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