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What do you think, Sherlock Holmes?

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But no dome, no Super Bowl, no football Disneyland.

I despise the Super Bowl pitch, by the way. I truly believe that when the weather is nice, Chicago is the greatest city in the world. When it's not nice, it's probably like top 60 at best. Of course, the Super Bowl is comfortably situated in the most dismal time for the city. Nobody wants to be here in February. I certainly don't. We have a thread about surviving it and everything. Neither does anyone who has to come here for the game; they'd rather be in Miami or New Orleans or Las Vegas--even Inglewood doesn't really get the blood flowing.

The track record for repeat appearances on these new stadiums is not great. So it'd be precisely one Super Bowl. I don't think a Packers-Jaguars game or whatever would rank high on the list of great moments in Chicago sports history.

Imagine forking over however many billions in public money just so the Bears can host 1 (one) Super Bowl where everyone who comes into town for it complains about how they wish it was just in Miami.

It's not just the Super Bowl. Chicago loses out on big events every year to places like Indianapolis.

A cold weather city with the population of Chicago should have a large domed stadium that can be used year round.

I guess it is more important for someone on a boat in the lake in the summer to see empty grass over a stadium though.

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Warren expects to have shovels in the ground by 2025.

He's got to be crazy, right? This has to be a negotiation ploy with AH, right? He can't be this insane.

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Warren expects to have shovels in the ground by 2025.

He's got to be crazy, right? This has to be a negotiation ploy with AH, right? He can't be this insane.

Shovels in what ground?

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Warren expects to have shovels in the ground by 2025.

He's got to be crazy, right? This has to be a negotiation ploy with AH, right? He can't be this insane.

Shovels in what ground?

his grave?

Man, the Bears really really suck at picking upper management. And coaches. C'mon, George.

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Bears president/CEO Kevin Warren said he's in the process of "truly understanding the different machinations of how private equity would work in the (NFL). ... at this point in time, it's not something we're focused on exploring in Chicago."
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Warren expects to have shovels in the ground by 2025.

He's got to be crazy, right? This has to be a negotiation ploy with AH, right? He can't be this insane.

Or the Bears are starting to come to grips with the reality that all they can afford is a modest renovation of the current building.
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so the Bears hired Kevin Warren and his Executive Angels to preside over a renovation?

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A combination Bears/Northwestern stadium in Evanston (or rather, a Bears stadium that Northwestern uses from time to time) would have been a decent solution to both teams' problems. Evanston is basically the Far North Side and is more accessible by transit than Soldier Field is, and spending almost a billion dollars on a 35,000-seat stadium for the Big Ten's participation-trophy winner, which Bears co-owner Pat Ryan is doing right now, is a folly.

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so the Bears hired Kevin Warren and his Executive Angels to preside over a renovation?

I get the impression here that the Bears had somewhat delusional aspirations for both the grand scale of the project and the extent that public money would be coming out to support them. At some point you just buy what you can afford, even if it’s not what you wanted.

You’re free to disagree, who even knows what’s going on. But if they were getting Football Disneyland I think we’d have something more concrete by now.
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Also from what I can tell he says he expects to break ground in 2025, not by 2025. Somewhat less fantastical, I was under the impression from the earlier post that they were going to start in the next ninety days which pretty much eliminates anything aside from like…expanded parking or new signage.
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USA wrote:
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so the Bears hired Kevin Warren and his Executive Angels to preside over a renovation?

I get the impression here that the Bears had somewhat delusional aspirations for both the grand scale of the project and the extent that public money would be coming out to support them. At some point you just buy what you can afford, even if it’s not what you wanted.

You’re free to disagree, who even knows what’s going on. But if they were getting Football Disneyland I think we’d have something more concrete by now.

The craziest thing about Football Disneyland is that the renderings never even showed the stadium. They had all the mixed-use residential/retail, and all the pictures of people walking on little footbridges over artificial creeks, but the stadium itself was always presented as a big grey box.

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I guess once they unveiled the plan for the lakefront and just showed pictures of Allegiant Stadium with "Raiders" crossed out and "Bears" written in, we could intuit that that would have been in Arlington Heights, too, but a proposal for a football stadium district that didn't include the actual stadium never truly felt serious to me.

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:lol: I wish I could for one day experience what it takes to be so delusional and arrogant to think the government would come out and buy you…whatever the fuck that is I dont even know…just because you own a popular football team that wins five games a year.
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Curious Hair wrote:
A combination Bears/Northwestern stadium in Evanston (or rather, a Bears stadium that Northwestern uses from time to time) would have been a decent solution to both teams' problems. Evanston is basically the Far North Side and is more accessible by transit than Soldier Field is, and spending almost a billion dollars on a 35,000-seat stadium for the Big Ten's participation-trophy winner, which Bears co-owner Pat Ryan is doing right now, is a folly.


They would have had to find a new site in Evanston. There is no way a domed 65,000 seat stadium, with all its attendant activities, would have flown with the neighbors. They had enough trouble getting them to accept Ryan's folly. And all they want besides NU games is a few summer concerts.

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I wasn't envisioning a dome, but fair enough if the neighborhood doesn't want it--not that the good people of Rolling Meadows are yearning to have a stadium loom over them, either.

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Bears president/CEO Kevin Warren said he's in the process of "truly understanding the different machinations of how private equity would work in the (NFL). ... at this point in time, it's not something we're focused on exploring in Chicago."


but he had time to not figure out how public money for a stadium would work. He was too busy assigning chairs different levels of panache

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Article in the Herald today confirmed that any new stadium is just going to be a copy of Allegiant Stadium whether it's on the lakefront or in Arlington Heights. This is the dynamic creativity we expect from the team that has to hire an executive search firm to staff its football-ops department.

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didn't he build US Bank Stadium?

Was he brought in after they had bought the land?

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didn't he build US Bank Stadium?

Was he brought in after they had bought the land?

They didn't buy any land, they just got the state to finance half the costs and own it so they don't have to pay property tax. It's on the site of the Metrodome, which the state owned and continues to own.

EDIT: oh, do you mean Arlington Park? Then yes, Ted Phillips bought the land and then retired.

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The fact that they have even mentioned the possibility of letting the PE fox in the henhouse should tell you all you need to know about their means to pay for this thing. The state has basically rejected them and it turns out that no lender wants the McCaskey Family in deep to them for hundreds of millions of dollars.

Allegiant cost $2b. Adjust that for inflation and factor in some cost of doing business differences between Las Vegas, Nevada and Chicago, Illinois…what’s the final price tag on this? For a stadium that genuinely very few people seem to be all that desperate for.
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The fact that they have even mentioned the possibility of letting the PE fox in the henhouse should tell you all you need to know about their means to pay for this thing.

Hah, yeah, I caught Warren saying "well one thing we're definitely not going to do, we certainly won't be looking into private equity, I can tell you that much!" 20% of the team will be in the hands of Blackpoint or Blackwood or Blackheart or Blacked.com in six months.

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didn't he build US Bank Stadium?

Was he brought in after they had bought the land?

It was either Warren or the billionaire owner with a background in real estate development.

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The fact that they have even mentioned the possibility of letting the PE fox in the henhouse should tell you all you need to know about their means to pay for this thing.

Hah, yeah, I caught Warren saying "well one thing we're definitely not going to do, we certainly won't be looking into private equity, I can tell you that much!" 20% of the team will be in the hands of Blackpoint or Blackwood or Blackheart or Blacked.com in six months.

I believe the league capped PE vultures at only 10% equity in any franchise. Though I don’t know if there’s anything stopping the Bears from signing away things like naming rights or revenues.
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Article in the Herald today confirmed that any new stadium is just going to be a copy of Allegiant Stadium whether it's on the lakefront or in Arlington Heights. This is the dynamic creativity we expect from the team that has to hire an executive search firm to staff its football-ops department.

Allegiant Stadium is awesome though. What stadium would you base it off of?

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Article in the Herald today confirmed that any new stadium is just going to be a copy of Allegiant Stadium whether it's on the lakefront or in Arlington Heights. This is the dynamic creativity we expect from the team that has to hire an executive search firm to staff its football-ops department.

Allegiant Stadium is awesome though. What stadium would you base it off of?

One they can afford would be a good start.
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Article in the Herald today confirmed that any new stadium is just going to be a copy of Allegiant Stadium whether it's on the lakefront or in Arlington Heights. This is the dynamic creativity we expect from the team that has to hire an executive search firm to staff its football-ops department.

Allegiant Stadium is awesome though. What stadium would you base it off of?


Would it be too much to ask to have an original design a la Minnesota? I know Kevin is busy with chair panache levels, but getting a copy of what the Raiders did wouldn't feel good.

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Article in the Herald today confirmed that any new stadium is just going to be a copy of Allegiant Stadium whether it's on the lakefront or in Arlington Heights. This is the dynamic creativity we expect from the team that has to hire an executive search firm to staff its football-ops department.

Allegiant Stadium is awesome though. What stadium would you base it off of?


Would it be too much to ask to have an original design a la Minnesota? I know Kevin is busy with chair panache levels, but getting a copy of what the Raiders did wouldn't feel good.

The problem is when you do an original design like in Minnesota you run into the fact that it needs $280 million over the next 10 years in repairs to continue to be usable.

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Right, the guy you have in charge of this Bears thing sold the Twin Cities a lemon then dipped out.

You know, these people in Illinois and Chicago government have telephones. They can call people in Minnesota and ask how they feel about Warren’s handiwork there. I’d imagine they get an earful.
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Right, the guy you have in charge of this Bears thing sold the Twin Cities a lemon then dipped out.

You know, these people in Illinois and Chicago government have telephones. They can call people in Minnesota and ask how they feel about Warren’s handiwork there. I’d imagine they get an earful.

Sounds like making a slightly improved version of a stadium that so far has gone really well is a better option than trying to reinvent the stadium design process.

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