Definitely has a better skill set, but hasn't been able to unlock it as of yet. At this piont Dalton is better, and probably always will be. JF has an uphill battle.

Not all his fault. Needed better coaching.

-Good quote though from the Take The North Podcast with Grote and Wiederer, where Wiederer had talked to Luke Getsy in '23 after JF took off for a running touchdown against Detroit, which in actuality the play called was for Darnell Mooney over the middle for a TD. He just couldn't read the field and freelanced.

Explain that.

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Um, "He just couldn't read the field and freelanced." Shit happens.

Explain why he was benched for R.Wilson and never returned in 2024. A year after the DET game on a better team with better coaches. He STILL couldn't read the field and was benched for the season.

Is the JET coaching staff going to unlock Justin's code? I wouldn't bet on it, but anything is possible. Doesn't help that Justin gets overwhelmed thinking about the offensive game plan.

Justin, “You know, could be the coaching, I think. At the end of the day, I can’t be thinking when the game comes. I prepare myself throughout the week and then when the game comes, it’s time to play free at that point. Thinking less and playing more.”

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Oh no he missed a "read" to Darnell Mooney. Excommunicate him from the NFL and Excommunicate him now I say!

Ironically the DC of the opposing team from that very game had no problen with signing him the very moment he became a free agent and anointing him starting QB.

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NYJ QB 2 better than QB1?

Oops!

https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/2025-jets-draft-picks

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Yup. Was wrong. Congrats to Fields.

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Is there anything you’ve learned about Justin Fields that makes you feel he can be a consistent winner? - @Chris10938269


I’m not sure that I have, to be completely honest. I’m very much in the wait-and-see approach with him. The biggest concern sources expressed to me with Fields, shortly after the Jets signed him, was processing. One high-ranking source went as far as to say he expected Tyrod Taylor to eventually take over the starting job. All I touched base with agreed you can improve processing, or a coordinator can make it easier on them. One offensive coordinator told me it’s usuallysomething that never really gets good, just better.

Granted, many had similar reservations on Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield before they found new life with the Vikings (now Seahawks) and Bucs. For me, it’s about seeing Fields do it. Everything else to this point is just assumptions and educated guesses.

You see why the Jets believe he’s worth the investment, though. There is the potential for a top-10 quarterback if Tanner Engstrand can marry improved processing with Fields’ physical ability.

Poor "processing" is every bit the concern with Williams that is was with Fields when he played for the Bears. Both guys have the ability to extend plays, but they rely excessively on that ability because they can't read defenses particularly well.

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I don't think that is fair to Williams yet to say it is every bit the concern with him as it was with Fields. There is no doubt concern about it but IMO the difference is that with Fields it was always a concern and there was never a time in which he looked like he could process things. Williams had stretches where it looked better and that he was seeing things better and making quick decisions. But there was a lot of stretches where it did not appear to be there. Hopefully Johnson and this new staff can help him get those things figured out.

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week 1 Steelers -3 @ Jets...appointment TV

Uh oh. Buyers remorse just beginning to get whispered...

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/fo ... 00498.html

“The defense sacked Fields on six of his 10 drop backs. Fields completed three of the other four. Two were dump-offs to Jeremy Ruckert. One was a short pass to Wilson,” Hughes wrote on X. “The miss was a little alarming. The Jets blitzed. Offensive coordinator Tanner Engstrand dialed up a perfect beater that had Josh Reynolds open on a corner route without safety help. It seemed a pretty easy pitch-and-catch for a would-be long gainer (potential touchdown). Fields missed him pretty bad.”

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Sounds like Fields had marginally better practices with the Jets than Caleb did with the Bears.

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TM must be bored. He is stepping up his troll game.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Bears fans should be concerned by the parallels between Williams and Fields.

Remember how exuberant Bears beat reporters were last year when they initially described how much better Williams looked in OTAs compared to Fields from prior years?

This year's minicamp reports (so far) sound like they are slightly updated versions of the stories we heard about Fields.

Let's hope Ben Johnson is, indeed, a miracle worker.

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He's no Good Dolphin. More on the level of HawaiiYou trolling.

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What does Caleb Williams do well as a quarterback?

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Garners a lot of discussion at the same time the NBA playoffs are taking place.

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Well done, Frankfurter. Well done.

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Stallking Caller Bob this time of year just isn't as appealing around here as it as it used to be. Damn does one miss those "halcyon days" around here

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Other than running the football, everything better than Fields.

I completely get being concerned with our history as Bear fans. I think everyone is concerned to one degree or another about Williams. But as I said in another post awhile back I do not see how anyone can have a really strong opinion on him one way or the other on one year with the boobs that were running the team. I am cautiously optimistic but there is no doubt he could end up being a bust. They have a much better staff around him. They have improved the interior of the line. They have added more weapons around him. So we will see. I do not think a couple days of OTAs really means anything at all. Let's see what happens when the ball is snapped in a real game in September.

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Justin Fields also has a better arm too. There isn't anyone who watched this kid play last season who would have walked away impressed with his play. Which is why there has been no talk of him being "generational" this season. There is a reason Bears fans booed him during his first and last games of the season last year. He was a flop. Now if it were mostly due to him or the coaches he had only time will tell.

But what is insulting is when people try to pooh pooh his obvious failure last season or pretend that we didn't actually see what we clearly saw. And for all of the bashing of Waldron and Eberflus, he actually performed worse after they were gone.

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I didn't ask you to compare Williams to Fields. But if you are going that route, it must be noted that Fields throws a much better deep ball than Williams. Both of them struggle to throw from the pocket, read defenses, and play within the structure of an offensive system.

Bears fans always say "practice doesn't matter" when it comes to their QBs. That's because Bears QBs always tend to suck. Good QBs do not struggle to complete passes in 7 on 7s and non-contact team drills.

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Skills are there but lots of QBs have skills. It's what's between his ears and there's red flags ALL OVER THE PLACE. One thing I'm 100% on...He isn't going to rewrite history. History rewriters' favorite target isn't Out Of Bounds. They don't cry on mama's bosom. They don't give up on 4th down on the final drive and let the huddle know it. These aren't opinions. They happened.

He has to do a 180, in his head. Can a guy with a purse that matches his fingernails be a killer? Time is the truthteller.

The "skills" are definitively NOT there--or at least they weren't last season when he struggled with accuracy beyond 15 yards, couldn't read coverage, didn't get rid of the ball "on time", and was uncomfortable playing from the pocket.

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You did not ask me to compare them, but you started the comparison with this:



That quote was what led to my statement that you responded to.

You may end up being right. Williams may suck and be the equivalent to Fields. Yet he had like the 5th most passing yards for a Bears QB ever. So I guess we will see what ends up being right.

We know Fields sucks.

The verdict is still out on Williams.

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It was quite telling that Bears fans were still booing him during his last game

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Of course the jury is still out on Williams. But the question remains: What does he do well as a quarterback? The qualities that Ben Johnson consistently mentions as Caleb's main assets are arm strength and improvisational ability on broken plays. The problem with Johnson's list is this: 1) arm strength is meaningless without accuracy, which Williams lacks on medium and deep routes; and 2) Williams relies too heavily on improvisation because he is uncomfortable playing within a structured offense and cannot get rid of the ball "in rhythm and on time".

This isn't to say that he can't succeed. As we all know, Williams has been given a great offensive coach, a seemingly strong IOL, and a very talented group of receivers. But even with these advantages, he still has a lot of shortcomings to overcome. Just moving up to being the 18th or 19th best QB in the league will be a huge jump for him.

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Well he was terrible for 3 quarters.

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