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sure sounds like they will go with Fields again next year.



I have no idea how anyone can watch that press conference and come to that conclusion


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Poles spoke in a way that the listener could hear whatever they wanted. I heard "We're drafting a quarterback," but I can see how you heard differently.


I agree with Nas...

Poles was the only one that spoke that didn't shit all over himself. I heard the same, which yes...it's what I want. Still...Poles doesn't have much of a choice but to deal Fields now.

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If Fields was/is the guy they would have said it yesterday.


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If Fields was/is the guy they would have said it yesterday.

Which would also be really ignorant in my opinion, hold all leverage until you can’t.

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If Fields was/is the guy they would have said it yesterday.

Which would also be really ignorant in my opinion, hold all leverage until you can’t.

Exactly. There is no reason to say anything for sure at this point.

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If Fields was/is the guy they would have said it yesterday.

Which would also be really ignorant in my opinion, hold all leverage until you can’t.

Exactly. There is no reason to say anything for sure at this point.


If Fields was the "guy" they'd already be talking about building around him like people openly talk about building around Herbert, Mahomes, Allen etc.

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If Fields was/is the guy they would have said it yesterday.

Which would also be really ignorant in my opinion, hold all leverage until you can’t.

Exactly. There is no reason to say anything for sure at this point.


If Fields was the "guy" they'd already be talking about building around him like people openly talk about building around Herbert, Mahomes, Allen etc.

With those guys it was pretty obvious that was the plan and there was zero chance they were going to be traded.

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It's hilarious to hear people use "leverage" and Justin Fields. He holds slightly more trade value than Trey Lance


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On the trading of Fields, your leverage is, "I don't know, we kinda like our guy"
On the trading of the #1 pick your leverage is "I don't know, we kinda like the evaluation of our college QB"

Just make sure you have a whiteboard to keep track of all your lies to all the different teams and all the lies that they tell you. Frankly, sounds like a lot of fun.

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It's hilarious to hear people use "leverage" and Justin Fields. He holds slightly more trade value than Trey Lance

You'll get a 2nd for him. You think GMs, anonymous or not, are showing their true hands? The leverage will go away though the second they draft a QB.

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It's hilarious to hear people use "leverage" and Justin Fields. He holds slightly more trade value than Trey Lance


It's not just about the trade value he holds via what the Bears could receive for him, but also the value of resources possible by trading out of the Number 1 pic.

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If Fields was/is the guy they would have said it yesterday.

Which would also be really ignorant in my opinion, hold all leverage until you can’t.

Exactly. There is no reason to say anything for sure at this point.


If Fields was the "guy" they'd already be talking about building around him like people openly talk about building around Herbert, Mahomes, Allen etc.

I agree. They were complimentary and positive, but if they truly believed Fields was their Quarterback of the future, they would have said more than they did. Their praise of Fields was very tempered.

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A Scout’s Take: Thoughts on the Events at Halas Hall Yesterday

By Greg Gabriel Jan 11, 2024, 10:30am CST 47 Comments / 47 New

The fans felt that because 2023 was a disappointment in their mind, there would be wholesale changes made, including the firing of Head Coach Matt Eberflus. That didn't happen, as Flus is still leading this Bears team, but there were several changes made on the offensive side of the ball. These were changes that I felt needed to be made as the areas of responsibility they were responsible for did not come through on the field.

The most important change is at offensive coordinator. We all know the offense underperformed in 2023. It's my opinion that former OC Luke Getsy, while running a sound scheme, did not know how to use that scheme in the right way. Several players, especially quarterback Justin Fields, were not necessarily used in a way that utilized their strengths.

As for the play calling, I didn't feel there was continuity with it. It seemed as if plays were called, but they weren't called in a way where the offense was attacking a defense's weaknesses. You can't win unless you attack the opposing defense.

The Bears replaced wide receiver coach Tyke Tolbert. In my opinion, that was an easy choice as the group as a whole has not developed as needed. The Bears spent a third-round pick on Velus Jones. His development, or lack thereof, has been a disappointment. The Chase Claypool trade fell apart, and Darnell Mooney hasn't been close to the player we saw in '20 and '21. Is that all on the players? I don't think so.

Last, the quarterback coach, Andrew Janocko, was replaced. Most QB coaches are an extension of the OC, and it is easy to see that the Bears quarterback play is not what it should be.

That brings us to Justin Fields. I have said and written several times recently that It's my opinion that Justin has not been coached properly since the day he came into the League. Justin has a very unique skill, yet he wasn't used in a way that utilized that skill consistently. A player with his talent has to be used properly, it's really that simple.

Many people believe that Justin Fields is done in Chicago. I think that is far from being truthful. I feel his career is just starting, especially if the right offensive coordinator is hired.

I have listened to yesterday's press conference twice now, and I realized that between Poles and Flus, Justin was given a vote of confidence at least four times. In the first few minutes of the presser, Ryan Poles stated, "I believe Justin has improved, and I feel he is capable of leading this team." That, my friends, is a strong statement and a strong vote of confidence. If you don't think so, then you just don't understand coach-speak.

Ryan was also asked in several ways (as reporters always do) about the draft. He said he would thoroughly look at all options (as he should; that's his job) but that he would have to be blown away by a prospect in order to take him. He said the exact same thing a year ago.

Poles also stressed several times the importance of character, and by that, he was referring to football character, which has to be excellent in order for him to select a player regardless of position. When he said that, it was a direct reflection on the quarterback. More than any other position, the quarterback is not just about the natural physical talent but the intangibles or what is "under the hood."

A Scout’s Take: The importance of character info and how scouts get it
In other words, for the Bears to select a quarterback with the top pick in the Draft, they would have to be blown away by not only the player's talent but his football character. Knowing this draft the way I do, I feel it is a good bet that the number one pick will be traded just like it was a year ago. There is not a doubt in my mind, that Justin Fields will be the leader of the Chicago Bears in 2024.

Do I believe the Bears will select a quarterback in the Draft? Yes, but not with that top pick. It's always wise to bring in competition as it makes everyone better, and this quarterback class is deep.

Offensive Coordinator

Within the next few weeks, there will be a new offensive coordinator. Who that will be, I have no idea. I do believe that there will be six to eight quality people interviewed for the job. Part of that interview process will be how that coach plans to work with Justin Fields. Does he believe that Justin can be a winning quarterback in the National Football League?

There were several in the media who have stated yesterday and in the past few days that it will be difficult for the Bears to hire a quality offensive coordinator. First off, that is a ludicrous statement to make, and the people making those statements have no idea how the hiring process works and the value of any OC job in the NFL.

In the League, there are fewer than 32 offensive coordinator jobs available, as some head coaches are also their team's OC. Yes, those teams have an OC in name but that person does not have the control of the offense like a normal OC. Because of the limited number of coordinator jobs available, there will be coaches jumping at the opportunity to become the Bears' OC.

What's funny is that just a few hours after one radio personality made the statement about how hard it would be to hire a quality candidate, one of the best names on the market was already being named as a candidate, and permission was asked to interview him. That coach is the Seattle OC, Shane Waldron. What is interesting about Waldron is he has worked for the Rams under Sean McVay and runs a similar offense to what the Bears currently run.

The scheme is a sound, winning scheme when utilized properly; it hasn't been the last two seasons in Chicago. If Waldron becomes the OC, the transition for the Bears' current players will be easy, as terminology will be similar. Waldon isn't the only candidate; there will be several more, but it tells us that the job is, in fact, appealing to many.

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One of the best and most key players on the Bears' defense is Pro Bowl corner Jaylon Johnson. Johnson is now out of contract and becomes a free agent in March. Ryan Poles went out of his way to say that "Jaylon isn't going anywhere." Poles explained that there has been positive dialogue between the Bears and Johnson and expects something to get done. What's important to realize is that even if a long-term deal isn't completed, the Bears can always use the franchise tag.

The Draft

Poles was asked several times about the Draft. He didn't give any indication as to what his plans were. First, I doubt that on January 11th, he even knows. There are still volumes of information to be gathered on all the prospects. No draft decisions are made in January, In fact with most clubs, preliminary Draft Boards aren't put together until next month before the Combine at the earliest. Right now, there are only grades in the system, but no player has an absolute final grade on him, and it won't be until April when ALL the information is in.

Poles will investigate all the options, including extensive research on ALL the quarterbacks, not just the top few. He will do the same with other prospects at several other positions. Then, he will investigate the value of trading the top pick. At this time, it's impossible to know what teams will actually be interested in trading up,

If you go back to last year, talks with other clubs didn't begin until the Combine in late February. Poles wanted to get a trade done early because he felt that any deal would include a veteran player and help what he had hoped to accomplish in free agency. We don't know if that is what his feeling is now.

What the Bears get in return depends on how far back they are willing to drop. The further back they go, the more value they receive. I would think that because the Bears don't have a second-round pick as of now in this Draft, any deal will include obtaining a new second-round pick and preferably a first in 2025.

The important thing to realize is don't count on anything, like last year, little is going to leak out. It wasn't until an hour before the Carolina trade was made that I got word from a friend with the Panthers that it would happen. We should expect the same this year.

Last, while many fans aren't happy with yesterday's events, they need to be more patient. Constant change and turnover is the formula for failure, not success; I fully support the news from yesterday and honestly believe that it was the right thing to do. But it's essential that Chicago hires the right new coaches, especially the new offensive coordinator.

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why would 'a player with that talent has to be used properly'?

if a player is good they can be used like an early morning street whore. everything that dickbag said after that has gone unnoticed. complete fuckin douchebag.

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why would 'a player with that talent has to be used properly'?

if a player is good they can be used like an early morning street whore. everything that dickbag said after that has gone unnoticed. complete fuckin douchebag.

I would have been an all star if I only faced fastball pitchers,

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Didn’t realize the Bears kept the offensive line coach. Olin is strongly against this, saying that while he likes the guy, the new coordinator should be able to pick his staff. Typical Bears, saddling new coaches with guys they may or may not want.

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Didn’t realize the Bears kept the offensive line coach. Olin is strongly against this, saying that while he likes the guy, the new coordinator should be able to pick his staff. Typical Bears, saddling new coaches with guys they may or may not want.


He was the only offensive coach who developed anyone.

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Didn’t realize the Bears kept the offensive line coach. Olin is strongly against this, saying that while he likes the guy, the new coordinator should be able to pick his staff. Typical Bears, saddling new coaches with guys they may or may not want.


He was the only offensive coach who developed anyone.


RB are good and have developed over the last two years. Herbert's carries jumped from 4.2 to 5.7/4.6. Roschon got better as the year went on. D'onta Foreman was great.

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Didn’t realize the Bears kept the offensive line coach. Olin is strongly against this, saying that while he likes the guy, the new coordinator should be able to pick his staff. Typical Bears, saddling new coaches with guys they may or may not want.


He's right. This is what Dan was complaining about during transition yesterday and it's right. Should be the incoming OC's call. This is a lesser version of forcing Emery to inherit Lovie Smith as HC. Just a backward way to do business.

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Velus Jones wasn't developed?? He can't fucking catch the ball. :roll: That's not development, that is a bad draft pick.

Justin Fields has a unique skill that hasn't been utilized. Yes...he can run. He's incredibly gifted athletically and I'll also add when running, he sees the field and the defense very well. Great....utilize that and you'll have yourself an injured quarterback.

I do agree with him on the availability of OC. I don't think Flus is on that hot of seat and if anything has 2 more years to go. They'd have to regress pretty strongly, and I don't think they will. Stay flat...maybe, but I don't see the Bears getting worse.

Agreed that OL is the only part of the team that really developed. Ideally, you'd let the OC pick the Line coach, but I'm sure they'll get over it.

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Didn’t realize the Bears kept the offensive line coach. Olin is strongly against this, saying that while he likes the guy, the new coordinator should be able to pick his staff. Typical Bears, saddling new coaches with guys they may or may not want.


He was the only offensive coach who developed anyone.


RB are good and have developed over the last two years. Herbert's carries jumped from 4.2 to 5.7/4.6. Roschon got better as the year went on. D'onta Foreman was great.


The RB coach was fired for sending Mama Bear a picture of his dick. That's why I didn't count him.

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Retaining Eberflus seems emotional. They probably felt for him given the DC scandal and appreciated him holding things together. But that just means they failed to hold him accountable for the mess in the first place.

Poles literally said one of the reasons he likes Eberflus is "his ability to hire the right coaches". :lol:

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Retaining Eberflus seems emotional. They probably felt for him given the DC scandal and appreciated him holding things together. But that just means they failed to hold him accountable for the mess in the first place.

Poles literally said one of the reasons he likes Eberflus is "his ability to hire the right coaches". :lol:


Wow. That's like crediting Fields for being super decisive.

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Retaining Eberflus seems emotional. They probably felt for him given the DC scandal and appreciated him holding things together. But that just means they failed to hold him accountable for the mess in the first place.

Poles literally said one of the reasons he likes Eberflus is "his ability to hire the right coaches". :lol:


I laughed when I heard that.

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veganfan21 wrote:
Retaining Eberflus seems emotional. They probably felt for him given the DC scandal and appreciated him holding things together. But that just means they failed to hold him accountable for the mess in the first place.

Poles literally said one of the reasons he likes Eberflus is "his ability to hire the right coaches". :lol:



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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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Retaining Eberflus seems emotional. They probably felt for him given the DC scandal and appreciated him holding things together. But that just means they failed to hold him accountable for the mess in the first place.

Poles literally said one of the reasons he likes Eberflus is "his ability to hire the right coaches". :lol:



:lol:


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I'm of the feeling that they shouldn't let Waldron out of the building without his name on a contract.

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I'm of the feeling that they shouldn't let Waldron out of the building without his name on a contract.


That’s how I felt after Parkins was singing his praises, but apparently the feeling in Seattle is “please take him!” (at least in social media).

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I'm of the feeling that they shouldn't let Waldron out of the building without his name on a contract.


A merger of the Kubiak and Shanahan tree is appealing to me.

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