Johnson has done it longer (successfully) and with a much less talented QB than Brady. That’s why Ben is more highly regarded, and rightfully so.


Brady needs to incubate for a few more years imo.

_________________
If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

So according to some reports out there the Bears are going to roll out the red carpet for the in person interviews. Meaning no BS Southwest Airlines style crap. Allegedly this was insisted on by Warren (smart on his part if true)


Now, who knows what their version of ‘rolling out the red carpet’ is or if they really will. That said I was happy to read about them possibly doing it. And if it is Warrens decision, I guess I have to give him credit for doing what always should be done anyway.

_________________
If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

I always forget about Brady. But reading about him he is impressive. Not as impressive as Johnson, but deserves to be higher on the list than guys like Flores and definitely more than the big headed dude and DCs like Weaver.

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Bears rolling out the red carpet = Staley meeting the flight holding a bag of Portillos

The future is the #1 pick. Bears defense is like White Sox pitching. It's generally good enough. You have to go with an offensive mind as HC.

Sounds like McCarthy for sure isn’t going anywhere according to what Rappaport just tweeted out.

_________________
2018
#ExtendLafleur
10 More Wins

_________________

I'd say google meet is not rolling out the red carpet.

_________________
Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

Warren seems like a guy that is very interested in appearances, so I can see him going all out on doing some photo shoots and such with guys flying in.

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

_________________
"I honestly don't see a good bet on the board here."

I don't have a problem with heaping a lot of credit on Johnson, but there seems to be a revisionist history that Jared Goff was just about to wash out of the league until Ben saved him. He was a 1.1 pick and a 2 time Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky before the trade with a less talented offense (did have a massive Todd Gurley year and some prime Kupp, but mostly guys like Brandon Cooks and Robert Woods). Goff certainly didn't reach his potential until Johnson, but maybe he's just really good. It absolutely could be Ben Johnson that's the secret sauce, but it's not unreasonable to question someone who has only done it with one QB, who was already above average. That's coaching searches for you.

The Bears real problem is that they want to win a certain way and they would rather lose than sacrifice that vision. Not that they don’t charter jets or do all this flashy bullshit.

The Rooney family, you know for their once every two decades coaching search, wouldn’t charter a jet. Their appeal is that they run a viable football operation with an emphasis on building a football and winning games.

I agree with this. I don't know how anyone could disagree at this point. They clearly want to win only on their terms, which involve pretending that Halas Hall is some sort of New England boarding school for old-money chaps. What I don't get is how they got from "now now, no swearing" and going to church every week to DEI initiatives. Did the George Floyd riots spook them that much?

_________________

He also loves to spend other people's money to make himself look good. He'll probably charter a private jet and fly out with Warren's Angels to pick the person up with a buffet of surf and turf for the front end of the trip

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

At some part I think it’s truly ideological. George McCaskey wants to present himself as a white savior, the Khaleesi after freeing the slaves from Mereen.

On the more practical side I think they have wanted this stadium for much longer than they’ve let on and they thought going woke HR DEI insane was meeting the moment. Particularly with Mayor Hotep. Just a pure miscalculation on the way the culture is headed and what people want to see.

The Bears really are not cheap. Or at least they are not more cheap than franchises who are much more successful than they are. It is not their unwillingness to spend money and fly people around in Dassaults that is holding them back. Ben Johnson could be in boarding group C on his two-stop Southwest flight, take a cab to Halas Hall and still be very excited to take the job. Why he is going to disregard the Bears as an option is because of who the Bears are fundamentally.

I think Johnson deserves the praise and would love to have him as coach. I don't think he is the only viable candidate and not even the only OC who deserves elevation. If word is correct he is asking to be paid like the top HC in the league. I won't fault the Bears if they don't want to give 17 million per year to him when Brady, Monken, etc. may very well be just as good at a fraction of that price.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I would be happy with Carroll and satisfied with McCarthy. But other than those two and Vrabel/Johnson you are just rolling the dice hoping against hope you find the guy. And really any candidates aside from the those four I am just assuming they got the job because they matched George’s weird.

the new Halas Hall is a palace. They have put a lot into facilities. They most definitely have added a lot of cost to management with Warren and his layers of VP.

They just chose the wrong people to lead them at every level

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

But that's what gives me hope. Goff was not a great QB. I don't think he's even really good. I'd hire Johnson based on that but the problem there is, does Poles have the ability to give him a great O Line?

_________________
Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

I just remembered that time the Bears came out with a throwback jersey from the '40s or so and George appeared in a video apologizing for the fact that the league was segregated when the Bears wore that jersey and that wearing it again does not indicate their support of segregation. Thanks, George. And here I thought. It was odd that that even crossed their minds considering teams like the Detroit Tigers wear pre-integration uniforms every day. But that was a sign I must have missed.

The funniest part about it being a cynical taxpayer-cash grab is that the Bears are fighting the last war. Trump won again and no one's even having a meltdown. DEI jobs are getting eliminated everywhere but the Bears. Mayor Hotep might not even last four years.

_________________

I've always been leery on placing a lot of value in Assistant coaches that have only seemed to "put it together" when they happened to have had top talent to work with.
Particularly when it comes to football. There have been a lot of "genius" OCs over the years (Trestman was once one of them crazy as it seems now) that got unmasked once they were unable to work with top tier talent.

I'm hoping that Johnson isn't one of them. But something tells me that he is.

_________________

.

you and me both, brother. They fail at an astounding rate with teams that regularly draft in the top 10.

but you almost have to take that leap of faith if you want to get a guy who is young enough to be there for a decade (and that should be the goal of a head coach hire).

Maybe Wanny is on to something with Bielema.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Goff is definitely a good QB with some talent -but he is no Josh Allen. That was my point comparing Brady and Johnson as far as their body of work goes recently. Johnson certainly didn’t create Goff, he did maximize him tho.


Brady imo hasn’t done anything with Allen that Allen hasn’t already done. Brady is just better than the previous guy they had. This is why I’d want to see multiple years of Brady getting the job done rather than just this year. Ben Johnson has 3 years in a row of creating an elite offense under his belt and he’s proven to be a fantastic play caller too. He’s also learned how to run a team under Campbell who seems to have a good grip on that part of the job.

_________________
If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

there was literally a ton of info that Trestman wasn't going to be a good NFL coach. I remember finding three different sources that week, calling into B&B and being laughed off the air. They weren't laughing later. Haven't seen the same stuff with Johnson.

_________________
Ба́бушка гада́ла, да на́двое сказа́ла—то ли до́ждик, то ли снег, то ли бу́дет, то ли нет.

LeFleur, McVeigh, and Shannahan were all on Washington staff together that failed. Most modern success stories start out as ‘the hot coordinator’

_________________
If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

I could kinda forgive them about a year ago for sticking with it, but now it is just profoundly anachronistic and behind the times to be as focused on diversity as they are. The rhetoric that four years ago was standard and year ago just felt like boilerplate has now today become totally radioactive.

They really do feel like dinosaurs. I don’t think people are quite understanding the moment we are in. The UK had their worst civil unrest in over a century, the Canadian PM is resigning (somewhat in disgrace), AfD is going to be in charge of Germany by the end of the year…we are in really historic times. Some people are just not feeling the ground moving beneath their feet quite yet.

Wanny loved Flus.

I cannot remember, did Wanny support Flus in the coaching search? I know he liked him after he visited with him at training camp. Did Flus work for Wanny at some point?

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Don't forget Poles on Eberflus :

“The moment he walked into the room, I knew he was the guy,”


carry on.....

With this approach you can easily vault Coen into the upper tier with what he has done with bakey.

_________________