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Jay Novackeck, all pro
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LOL Alvin Harper. what an all-time great, you should have stopped at Irvin. I’m pretty sure Novacek isn’t going in the hall of fame any time soon either. He had a nice run with Dallas, no doubt, but he hardly propped up Troy Aikman. Those cowboys teams were great and were loaded with HOF talent, don’t contaminate it by dropping those names.

Novackeck made 5 pro bowls and 1 all pro tean. That's borderline HOF. They basically had all pros at every position
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Stop what? i agree, it was an all-time great line. but to say Aikman sucked and was simply propped up by a good line like some are insinuating is ridiculous. the line was lucky to have Aikman, Aikman was lucky to have Irvin, they were all lucky to have Emmitt, the offense was lucky to have a great defense. It was a great team with great players all over the place who all came together at the right time and place.


No one said he sucked. I simply said he was overrated. There is no question that the talent around him propped him up. You could insert Stan Humphries or a league average quarterback in that lineup, and they still win multiple championships.

Someone specifically said Aikman sucked earlier in the thread, and he is the one my remarks are pointed at.


I missed that. My bad. Phil Simms or Troy Aikman? Jim Kelly or Troy Aikman? Vinny Testaverde or Troy Aikman? Jeff George or Troy Aikman?




I’d put Troy and Phil on pretty equal footing, with the slight edge to Troy because he’s more accurate. Kelly might be a little more talented but he fell apart in some big moments so that’s a toss up imo.. Troy was flat out better than Jeff and Vinny tho.. George had a more ‘talented’ arm (one if the best ever imo).. but he could never put it all together.

Statistically, George had some great years. As flawed as he was, he would easily be the best Bears quarterback ever.

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Jay Novackeck, all pro
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LOL Alvin Harper. what an all-time great, you should have stopped at Irvin. I’m pretty sure Novacek isn’t going in the hall of fame any time soon either. He had a nice run with Dallas, no doubt, but he hardly propped up Troy Aikman. Those cowboys teams were great and were loaded with HOF talent, don’t contaminate it by dropping those names.

Novackeck made 5 pro bowls and 1 all pro tean. That's borderline HOF. They basically had all pros at every position

Hey I’d love to spend a week looking at all the HOF busts at the HOF jay novecek gets in to. And I’m not shitting on those Dallas teams, they were great.
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I’m a fucking GIANTS fan and anyone who says he and Troy Aikman are on equal footing career-wise is insane. But some guys, even if they aren’t HOF-worthy, are just right for certain teams. Parcells and Simms were a perfect match.
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man of few opinions wrote:
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Jay Novackeck, all pro
Michael Irvin , HOF
Alvin Harper, pro bowler

Beyond loaded!!! Lol


LOL Alvin Harper. what an all-time great, you should have stopped at Irvin. I’m pretty sure Novacek isn’t going in the hall of fame any time soon either. He had a nice run with Dallas, no doubt, but he hardly propped up Troy Aikman. Those cowboys teams were great and were loaded with HOF talent, don’t contaminate it by dropping those names.

Novackeck made 5 pro bowls and 1 all pro tean. That's borderline HOF. They basically had all pros at every position

Hey I’d love to spend a week looking at all the HOF busts at the HOF jay novecek gets in to. And I’m not shitting on those Dallas teams, they were great.


Naperville's own Owen Daniels, has superior individual stats to Novacek who was an Ok TE, on a team full of superstars.

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Stop what? i agree, it was an all-time great line. but to say Aikman sucked and was simply propped up by a good line like some are insinuating is ridiculous. the line was lucky to have Aikman, Aikman was lucky to have Irvin, they were all lucky to have Emmitt, the offense was lucky to have a great defense. It was a great team with great players all over the place who all came together at the right time and place.



Emmit Smith wasn't even a top 25 back.. that's what I'm saying about T.A. everybody looks better with that line and talent all over the field.

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I’m a fucking GIANTS fan and anyone who says he and Troy Aikman are on equal footing career-wise is insane. But some guys, even if they aren’t HOF-worthy, are just right for certain teams. Parcells and Simms were a perfect match.


I'd take Eli's bum ass over Aikman

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I’m a fucking GIANTS fan and anyone who says he and Troy Aikman are on equal footing career-wise is insane. But some guys, even if they aren’t HOF-worthy, are just right for certain teams. Parcells and Simms were a perfect match.


I'd take Eli's bum ass over Aikman

Now there is something we can agree on.
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I’m a fucking GIANTS fan and anyone who says he and Troy Aikman are on equal footing career-wise is insane. But some guys, even if they aren’t HOF-worthy, are just right for certain teams. Parcells and Simms were a perfect match.


I'd take Eli's bum ass over Aikman

Now there is something we can agree on.

Thats a bad take .

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it was said tongue and cheek since I am a giants fan. I should have used an emoji or something to indicate that.
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Stop what? i agree, it was an all-time great line. but to say Aikman sucked and was simply propped up by a good line like some are insinuating is ridiculous. the line was lucky to have Aikman, Aikman was lucky to have Irvin, they were all lucky to have Emmitt, the offense was lucky to have a great defense. It was a great team with great players all over the place who all came together at the right time and place.



Emmit Smith wasn't even a top 25 back.. that's what I'm saying about T.A. everybody looks better with that line and talent all over the field.

I completely agree with you on Aikman was the beneficiary of an amazing supporting cast. My problem with that argument is then you also have to apply it to Joe Montana.
By the numbers, Montana beats Aikman in most categories. He was clearly better, but man...Montana had an awful lot of help in all his years.

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Stop what? i agree, it was an all-time great line. but to say Aikman sucked and was simply propped up by a good line like some are insinuating is ridiculous. the line was lucky to have Aikman, Aikman was lucky to have Irvin, they were all lucky to have Emmitt, the offense was lucky to have a great defense. It was a great team with great players all over the place who all came together at the right time and place.



Emmit Smith wasn't even a top 25 back.. that's what I'm saying about T.A. everybody looks better with that line and talent all over the field.

I completely agree with you on Aikman was the beneficiary of an amazing supporting cast. My problem with that argument is then you also have to apply it to Joe Montana.
By the numbers, Montana beats Aikman in most categories. He was clearly better, but man...Montana had an awful lot of help in all his years.


It's why I had Elway over Montana.

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I’m a fucking GIANTS fan and anyone who says he and Troy Aikman are on equal footing career-wise is insane. But some guys, even if they aren’t HOF-worthy, are just right for certain teams. Parcells and Simms were a perfect match.


I'd take Eli's bum ass over Aikman

Now there is something we can agree on.

Thats a bad take .

Nope...Eli beats Aikman in Passer Rating, Total Yards, Total TDs. He had way less to work with and has 2 super bowl rings. I take Eli over Aikman and it's not much of a discussion.

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Stop what? i agree, it was an all-time great line. but to say Aikman sucked and was simply propped up by a good line like some are insinuating is ridiculous. the line was lucky to have Aikman, Aikman was lucky to have Irvin, they were all lucky to have Emmitt, the offense was lucky to have a great defense. It was a great team with great players all over the place who all came together at the right time and place.



Emmit Smith wasn't even a top 25 back.. that's what I'm saying about T.A. everybody looks better with that line and talent all over the field.

I completely agree with you on Aikman was the beneficiary of an amazing supporting cast. My problem with that argument is then you also have to apply it to Joe Montana.
By the numbers, Montana beats Aikman in most categories. He was clearly better, but man...Montana had an awful lot of help in all his years.


It's why I had Elway over Montana.

I can't agree with you on this one. Elway was awesome and I loved watching him as a yoot, but any kind of "it" Mojo in the body of John Elway.....Montana had 10x the amount. Elway and Marino had more of deep ball threat than Montana, but Montana was incredibly efficient and accurate.

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Eli was clutch. As was Montana and Elway. This should be included in discussions of under and over rated. Who could carry a team to a win when it really counted. If it's the playoffs and you're down by 6 with a minute 30 to go, I'll take Eli over his brother.
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Eli was clutch. As was Montana and Elway. This should be included in discussions of under and over rated. Who could carry a team to a win when it really counted. If it's the playoffs and you're down by 6 with a minute 30 to go, I'll take Eli over his brother.

Eli was a once in a lifetime catch and a bad throw/ drop away from being a 2 time Super Bowl loser, but I guess that was clutch

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Eli was clutch. As was Montana and Elway. This should be included in discussions of under and over rated. Who could carry a team to a win when it really counted. If it's the playoffs and you're down by 6 with a minute 30 to go, I'll take Eli over his brother.

Eli was a once in a lifetime catch and a bad throw/ drop away from being a 2 time Super Bowl loser, but I guess that was clutch

:lol: It shouldn't have BEEN a helmet catch.
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Reminds me of the old days at the Score when North would argue that Harbaugh would be as successful as Aikman if Harbaugh were on the Cowboys.
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Reminds me of the old days at the Score when North would argue that Harbaugh would be as successful as Aikman if Harbaugh were on the Cowboys.

That's probably one of his more reasonable takes.
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Reminds me of the old days at the Score when North would argue that Harbaugh would be as successful as Aikman if Harbaugh were on the Cowboys.

That's probably one of his more reasonable takes.

Very reasonable.
As stated before, Kyle Orton would have looked awfully good on those Cowboys teams.

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Trent Dilfer probably on today. Fields very basic competency against the Vikings led Dilfer to say something like he can see Fields being the best player on the field. Very interested to see if he's gonna be objective here or just talk up his former pet project.

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If you need any player in the NFL to make one throw in a game then you have to go with Justin Fields. The problem is that quarterbacks in the NFL are expected to make more than one throw in a game.

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Trent Dilfer probably on today. Fields very basic competency against the Vikings led Dilfer to say something like he can see Fields being the best player on the field. Very interested to see if he's gonna be objective here or just talk up his former pet project.


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Dilfer mostly positive on Fields per his segment on 670

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Trent Dilfer probably on today. Fields very basic competency against the Vikings led Dilfer to say something like he can see Fields being the best player on the field. Very interested to see if he's gonna be objective here or just talk up his former pet project.


Itll be more of this .

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The Schrock article after the game.....wow. Some of these guys are about 1 step away from comparing his efforts and sacrifices to his team to being nailed to a cross.

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Trent Dilfer probably on today. Fields very basic competency against the Vikings led Dilfer to say something like he can see Fields being the best player on the field. Very interested to see if he's gonna be objective here or just talk up his former pet project.


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It means Fields has literally nothing left. I would think that is bad news.
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I think Nas and I are the only Elway guys, but I watched a lot of him growing up because of where I lived (KC market), and watched him drag teams into the Super Bowl. The NFC was just better all around but Elway was masterful in his ability to spread the ball around and make plays.

He earned the right to be pulled into winning those last 2.


I agree with you and Nas. I think Elway is the best ever. I've always said this. Like we all know, stats from the 80s and 90s guys won't compare to the current guys. Rules changes and back then QBs were able to get destroyed by defenses with no penalties. But Elway is the most talented QB ever.
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I think Nas and I are the only Elway guys, but I watched a lot of him growing up because of where I lived (KC market), and watched him drag teams into the Super Bowl. The NFC was just better all around but Elway was masterful in his ability to spread the ball around and make plays.

He earned the right to be pulled into winning those last 2.


I agree with you and Nas. I think Elway is the best ever. I've always said this. Like we all know, stats from the 80s and 90s guys won't compare to the current guys. Rules changes and back then QBs were able to get destroyed by defenses with no penalties. But Elway is the most talented QB ever.



You can't take it away from Brady. I'd put Elway about 7 or 8. As for most talented ever, I think Mahomes is the best ever.

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