How can you have the coordinator of the best offense in football lauding your rookie QB and not offer him the job? Vrabel, Flores, hell even Gruden over this guy would be a mistake.

As I have posted many times Harbaugh was never coming here with Warren as his boss.

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You have no idea whether or not he was interested. Truth is I can’t prove it either but.. There’s a large possibility he was and the power structure would have had to be set up in away where they wouldn’t interact, which many teams actually do between team president and other parts of the team.


People that know Harbaugh on a personal level have stated openly that Harbaugh said the Bears were his dream job. There have been other reports that said his team reached out to the Bears, one of the McCaskeys is close friends with him (George maybe?).. there is a lot of smoke between the two but in the end it just didn’t work out.


But the idea that he would ‘never’ come here is misguided. But as usual it’s the Bears end of this that fucked it up. Had they been serious about Harbaugh he’d be here, but they weren’t so he isn’t.

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Johnson to the Bears seems so obviously correct that it’ll never happen.

We’ll end up with Bobby Slowik or Flores or some guy who parked mcvay’s car a couple times.

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It's not exactly a secret Harbaugh can't stand Warren.
Why woukd he come here with Warren as his boss?
Without Warren arounfd Harbaugh would have been a great hire.
Harbaugh loves the Raiders and was interested but they were not.

Biggs finally shed some light on the Harbaugh/Bears thing.
I will trust Lombardi/Biggs over the crap that's out there.

I don’t think they can offer him the job yet. Not only that but I still think they need to be patient just in case a better candidate like Shanahan becomes available. Of course I think they need to make it clear thru any channel available to them that they’re interested, but I also want the Bears to be patient to at least some degree.


I think the biggest concern here is the front office. I don’t think most candidates look at the roster, cap position, and market with much skepticism -it’s the front office/ownership that will give them pause. Johnson has obviously been patient (removing his name fairly early last year) so it makes sense that he’s studying his available options as much as they’re studying him.

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Warren wouldn’t have been his boss tho. Harbaugh (in the scenarios talked about) would have answered directly to the owners (who he already has a relationship with). There are more than a few teams who have that kind of structure.


In piecing this together I think what most likely happened is Harbaugh was discussed internally and Poles insisted on keeping Eberflus who was already there (I don’t believe for one second Poles wanted to fire him after last season even tho he should have).


What I don’t know is if Harbaughs ‘people’ actually put out feelers to the Bears leading to Warren closing the door on it. Personally I don’t believe Harbaugh would have done it that way because he already has a personal relationship with the owners. He wouldn’t need to go that route.


You can go ahead and trust outside sources, I’ll trust people that actually know Harbaugh personally that have commented on it.

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I think the only reason right now the Ben Johnson thing doesn’t happen would be because he doesn’t like/trust the rest of the front office. In other words it won’t be the Bears not choosing him but rather Ben rejecting them.


I’d say it’s my biggest concern going forward with this search. It’s just one more reason I think Poles needs to be launched. He’s already proven to be pretty incompetent in almost every area, keeping him around makes little sense. I’d hate having Warren run the hiring process but Warren isn’t worse than Poles. He might be bad on his own, but if he wants to line up Ben Johnson with a different GM then I’d be all for it.


But then the question becomes, who is that GM?

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It's the same GM types that allowed themselves to be cucked by Ted Phillips and the McCaskeys to have a top-level NFL executive job for a few years: Guys that are hungry in some team's scouting department but really lack the talent and knowledge to put it all together and run a successful organization but dammit if they're not gonna brush up on their HR-speak and try anyway. Your Phil Emery and Ryan Pace types.

Quit putting so much space between your thoughts.







Thank you.

I don’t know if this will be the issue going forward if Ben Johnson is the target. But yes in the past the Bears have hired young mostly stupid subordinate types to be their football decision makers. Poles deliberately looks for failed prospects to sign and tears up when cutting guys so yeah.. he ain’t the guy.


But again, who is out there and available for the Bears to bring in and line up with Johnson? Tbh I haven’t heard/read too much when it comes to that side of the coin. If the Bears do indeed move on from Poles where do they go?

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Bring Ray Agnew over from Detroit with Ben Johnson. That would be what a serious organization would do.

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Anybody that wastes a trick play on the Bears is a dope.

Audition.

Plus the Lions use trick plays like every week.

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Nagy used trick plays every week too.

He wouldn't call that play against a legit opponent

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Lions knew they could run the ball at will against the Bears front seven, it was kind of like a cat toying with a half dead mouse for most of the game.

A few things did stand out, most notably the overpaid MLB making business decisions all game long, not sure what the next HC will do with Edmunds, he is brutal against the run and is always a step behind in coverage, plays more like a free safety, is this a guy that can be a part of a winning team?

You really have nothing of value on your defensive line, Sweat got paid and has not shown much, your DT group is brutal, these guys were all hand picked by Poles and Eberflus to fit his soft Cover-2 scheme, most of them will likely be gone next year.

Very easy to attack this defense due to the piss poor roster construction, if you see they are in nickle run right at the petite DB, and if Sanborn is out there take advantage of his lack of athleticism, neither guy can cover a TE, Gordon is too small and Sanborn is too slow.

The D is in a worse place than they were when Poles took over, he can't find lineman on either side of the ball, one wonders why he still has a job.

Bear fan's clamoring for johnson are part of the problem. This js not a coaching problem. Its not a GM problem. Its a McCaskey problem. He/they hired Emery Pace and pole's to lead and they were all questionable candidate's to begin with due to lack of experience and qualification's. Ben Johnson should be hired as VP football ops with 100 % control of roster and coaching before he/they is hired as a mere head coach.

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Hiring Ben Johnson would require the GM to totally revamp the o line, RB, and TE rooms, but you are likely doing that with any HC hire.

He likes big and nasty o lineman, no more of the petite and friendly guys Poles loves, so you have a huge philosophical difference between the two guys. Poles will have to put away his stop watch and tape measurer and watch for big mean nasty guys who will not win the underwear Olympics, but who will tear your head off, and based on what you see from Poles that is not going to happen.

Johnson regularly lines up a huge ugly and slow footed guy as an extra o lineman and tells him to just get in the way, that does not fit the pretty twirler ideal that Poles has for his finesse offense.

It really makes zero sense to keep Poles around as he would no longer have free reign to ruin the roster because he already has to answer to Warren and if you pay Johnson a ton of money you are certainly going to give him power to construct his roster.

It really makes zero sense to keep Poles around unless they are planning on doing the usual McKaskey thing and going with the fourth or fifth option guy who will take whatever to get the job.

heard on the score this morning that johnson is going to the jags. It could very easily just be agent lies but people should prepare themselves that it will be someone else.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

We always wanted Kingsbury. He was always our #1 choice.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

We are entering into the agent season where they feed the "NFL Insider" types stuff to push the market up for their clients, starts with coaches and then the free agent players.

Would you rather work for the hapless Khan family in Jacksonville where you can fail in obscurity, or the even more hapless McKaskey family in Chicago where the fan base is much larger and more engaged?

Kind of like an NHL free agent deciding to sign in Utah instead of Montreal or Toronto.

I have this thought. Ben Johnson picks his own GM. And goes wherever based on that.

Whi care's what you think. Your out or in on someone after the first half .you have no concept of patients and information. Go shove a bingo board up your ass

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Who reported that? Pellisero had a report yesterday during an interview that says Ben Johnson wants the Bears job and is probably going to make the Bears his 1st interview as soon as he’s able. He did say the Bears were also going to have to sell themselves to him too but Johnson isn’t opposed to working with Poles as it’s rumored he was willing to do it last year.


Truth be told I don’t think these ‘insiders’ have any really good sources so we’ll have to wait and see. I do think the point about Johnson wanting this job last year lines up with the thought that he’s ok with Ryan Poles.. if it’s true he was interested last year that is

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I wonder how many of these guys want that level of control vs. just finding comfort with a GM they understand views the game similarly.

If I were a Johnson, I’d sit down with Poles and try to discern why he sucks at developing the lines. If that answer is that Poles is indeed living vicariously through backup-level NFL talent, I’m off to Jacksonville. No state income tax. Great governance.

If Poles can show some recognition that he needs to start acquiring good linemen who are good, maybe it doesn’t bother me as much if he stays.

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Tuesdays

Lot of noise Jags will have a new GM.
Lot easier for the Jags to be relevant in their division going forward as opposed to how far behind the Bears are in the North.