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I know some of it is solely for content creation, but it's cheap and elitist to insinuate that Bagent comes from a racist family.

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I know some of it is solely for content creation, but it's cheap and elitist to insinuate that Bagent comes from a racist family.


Yep. If he came from Tufts instead of Shepherd, this would be an entirely different type of discussion

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I make it a rule never to stereotype but I assume anyone involved in arm wrestling is racist.

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I make it a rule never to stereotype but I assume anyone involved in arm wrestling is racist.


I assume everyone from West Virginia is, too...or on meth.

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Here's a little feature ESPN did on him. His dad sounds like a trip

https://youtu.be/rhGFxWZONdg?si=glxUU6Rwb3JPm2BI


That was solid


I loved it.

It's important to note that arm strength was listed as one of his main assets.

There is something about this kid. He obviously has an "it" factor that makes people gravitate to him.He also seems to understand how to play his position. I still have no idea if he's any good, though it seems like he's probably better than Fields is right now.


I completely agree. You can't coach that. We'll have some idea after Sunday if he can play.

Will we? He's going to have about a millisecond to make decisions on any obvious passing down.

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The stars are aligning. Maxxxxxxx is out injured, McDaniels is gonna McDaniels and Bagent throws for 294 and 3 TDs in a Bears laugher, causing the afternoon dumbasses to explode like the baddies in Raiders (heh heh) of the Lost Ark.


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Brick wrote:
I make it a rule never to stereotype but I assume anyone involved in arm wrestling is racist.


second generation arm wrestler

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The dad looks to be in his mid 30s. I have many questions


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if they were religious, it would be the perfect bernstein object of hate

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Tyson said God is why has been given this chance and that everything is predetermined.

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Here's a little feature ESPN did on him. His dad sounds like a trip

https://youtu.be/rhGFxWZONdg?si=glxUU6Rwb3JPm2BI



damn, played college in a stadium--if you can call a couple sets of removable bleachers set in front of a football field a stadium--in a facility that a Texas HS team would be suss'd to play in.

Video of the head of the Senior Bowl--a fmr Packers/Pats/Seahawks scout with 4 Super Bowl rings-- personally traveling to that dump to invite Bagent to the Senior Bowl.

Going by what Nagy, the fmr scout/Senior Bowl head honcho, says in that video and his background, sounds like Senior Bowl invites get vetted by pro scouts who want to see these guys playing in it for some reason. I would think if a scout has a line on an under the radar prospect, they'd rather not have him highlighted at the Senior Bowl.


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Here's a little feature ESPN did on him. His dad sounds like a trip

https://youtu.be/rhGFxWZONdg?si=glxUU6Rwb3JPm2BI


That was solid


I loved it.

It's important to note that arm strength was listed as one of his main assets.

There is something about this kid. He obviously has an "it" factor that makes people gravitate to him.He also seems to understand how to play his position. I still have no idea if he's any good, though it seems like he's probably better than Fields is right now.



I completely agree. You can't coach that. We'll have some idea after Sunday if he can play.

Will we? He's going to have about a millisecond to make decisions on any obvious passing down.




if he can go through his progressions and hit the designed play / open receiver with some consistency, that'll be huge. N'mind reading defenses or improvising on broken plays. Just run the called play, get the ball out if it's there, throw it away if it's not.

Not sure what happened on Sunday with that unnecessary home run shot that got picked off. You'd figure Moore was a decoy on that play and maybe they were hoping DJ would take 2 guys deep with him and it would open a crossing route underneath or a secondary receiver sneaking out of the backfield on a delay with open field for some yac.


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Bagent: Something something predetermination. #ItWasWritten

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It's weird how fields is a likeable guy and not the worst QB we have had meanwhile bagnet is very unproven yet overwhelmingly loved already lol. He does have the personality that leads a team to victory that's for sure.

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I mean, he looks quarterbacky, he sounds quarterbacky, people will grab onto it like a drowning man.

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Yep. I mean the team is not literally but basically drowning. Metaphorically. Philosophically. Statistically. Simulationally. Sexually.

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Is Fields likeable?

I mean, he's not unlikeable, but his public persona has been pretty vacuous and nondescript.

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Fields comes off as a kid who is hard to coach, doesn't take accountability, and believes things should be given to him. I don't want the leader of my team to be that guy.

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Fields comes off as a kid who is hard to coach, doesn't take accountability, and believes things should be given to him. I don't want the leader of my team to be that guy.

How do you come to this?

He seems like a kid who works hard and tries to do all the right things, but he just isn't good enough to be a QB1 in the league.

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Fields comes off as a kid who is hard to coach, doesn't take accountability, and believes things should be given to him. I don't want the leader of my team to be that guy.

How do you come to this?

He seems like a kid who works hard and tries to do all the right things, but he just isn't good enough to be a QB1 in the league.


I've been pointing them out for 3 year. The most recent example is blaming the coaches for his struggles. He started off demanding to be a leader before he took a snap.

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After watching him for a few years, here is your typical Fields snap.

Comes to the line with a quizzical look on his face, struggling to read the coverage, tentatively points out the MLB, rarely makes a line call adjustment.

Takes the snap and stares at his first read, and stares, and then starts leaking out of the pocket laterally which causes him to have to stop and reset his feet before he throws, but he has to see that his guy is wide open before pulling the trigger, either does not see or ignores the guy breaking open in the flat and instead looks deep and waits, and waits for a guy to look totally open, while all this non-processing is happening a very large and angry man wearing the opposite color jersey breaks away from a blocker.

Fields sees the rusher and turns his back to the defense and begins to run backwards and twirly, maybe one out of ten times he breaks away and makes a play, but the other ninety percent of the time he is either sacked, fumbles, throws a bad pass, or is picked.

It all starts with the struggle to initially read the defense or to adjust protection, of course having a quality center would help with the line calls, but for some inexplicable reason Ryan Poles has decided not to help his QB1 in an area he obviously struggles with, but a quality HC or OC would have demanded action at this positions, so they have all contributed to their own demises.

However, the most glaring flaw is that Fields consistently will pass up easy short completions while attempting to play, and I am going to steal one of LTG's phrases here, "play hero ball", by waiting for deep crossers to open, but the early inability to read the defense means that he did not realize there was deep safety help on his deep routes, and that the easy short completion was what the D had given him, knowing that he would not take the easy play.

This has been going on for his entire Bears career and no coach has been able to break him of these bad habits, there will still be the occasional wow moment where his athleticism allows him to make a play, but you see a persistent picture of what Justin Fields is and what he likely will always be, and the current staff has no answers as to how to best use his abilities while limiting his limitations, so you get a team with one of the worst records in the NFL for 2-3 years.


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Fields comes off as a kid who is hard to coach, doesn't take accountability, and believes things should be given to him. I don't want the leader of my team to be that guy.

How do you come to this?

He seems like a kid who works hard and tries to do all the right things, but he just isn't good enough to be a QB1 in the league.


He's good enough. If we cut him, he'd get another starting job.

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Is Fields likeable?
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Fields comes off as a kid who is hard to coach, doesn't take accountability, and believes things should be given to him. I don't want the leader of my team to be that guy.

How do you come to this?

He seems like a kid who works hard and tries to do all the right things, but he just isn't good enough to be a QB1 in the league.


He's good enough. If we cut him, he'd get another starting job.


Atlanta is the only team I can see handing Fields the job. He's going to have to compete everywhere else.

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Nas wrote:
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Fields comes off as a kid who is hard to coach, doesn't take accountability, and believes things should be given to him. I don't want the leader of my team to be that guy.

How do you come to this?

He seems like a kid who works hard and tries to do all the right things, but he just isn't good enough to be a QB1 in the league.


He's good enough. If we cut him, he'd get another starting job.


Atlanta is the only team I can see handing Fields the job. He's going to have to compete everywhere else.


How about the team from last night? or Tampa, or NYJ or

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Fields comes off as a kid who is hard to coach, doesn't take accountability, and believes things should be given to him. I don't want the leader of my team to be that guy.

How do you come to this?

He seems like a kid who works hard and tries to do all the right things, but he just isn't good enough to be a QB1 in the league.


He's good enough. If we cut him, he'd get another starting job.


Atlanta is the only team I can see handing Fields the job. He's going to have to compete everywhere else.


How about the team from last night? or Tampa, or NYJ or


The Saints are stuck with Carr, Mayfield has been competent, and the Jets are stuck with Karen. He's going to have to compete.

I can't recall you being this dug in on anyone and being dead wrong.

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It's weird how fields is a likeable guy and not the worst QB we have had meanwhile bagnet is very unproven yet overwhelmingly loved already lol. He does have the personality that leads a team to victory that's for sure.


People always love the backup qb in Chicago. Usually because the starter sucks. When the back up plays he typically is not better. If Bagent sucks, people will turn on him quickly.

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It's weird how fields is a likeable guy and not the worst QB we have had meanwhile bagnet is very unproven yet overwhelmingly loved already lol. He does have the personality that leads a team to victory that's for sure.


People always love the backup qb in Chicago. Usually because the starter sucks. When the back up plays he typically is not better. If Bagent sucks, people will turn on him quickly.


I don't think most people will care if Bagent isn't good. They aren't expecting him to be the future. It would be a pleasant surprise if were.

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It's a huge scouting win if Bagent is a legitimate backup QB.

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