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Going through the last 32 Super Bowls, there's been just 7 "defensive-minded" coaches who have won a combined 13 times. Belichick won 6 times. He played Center and Tight End in college and started out coaching special teams, wide receivers, and tight ends with the Lions ---- and then obviously went on to coach defense with the Giants. Mike Tomlin played WR in college and started out coaching WRs at his first few jobs ---- then went on to coach Tampa's DBs in the early 2000s.

If you take away the Belichick/Brady championships, you could say there's been 6 "defensive-minded" coaches who have won a combined 7 times. 7 out of 32 times.

All the "offensive-minded" head coaches:

Andy Reid = Patrick Mahomes
Sean McVay = Matthew Stafford
Bruce Arians = Tom Brady
Doug Pederson = Nick Foles
Gary Kubiak = Peyton Manning
Tom Coughlin = Eli Manning
Mike McCarthy = Aaron Rodgers
Sean Payton = Drew Brees
John Gruden = Brad Johnson
Brian Billick = Trent Dilfer
Dick Vermeil = Kurt Warner
Mike Shanahan = John Elway
Mike Holmgren = Brett Favre
Barry Switzer = Troy Aikman

"Defensive-minded" head coaches:

Pete Carroll = Russel Wilson
John Harbaugh = Joe Flacco
Mike Tomlin = Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Dungy = Peyton Manning
Bill Cowher = Ben Roethlisberger
Jimmy Johnson = Troy Aikman


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Hey Ron, you forgot to subtract the six Super Bowls from Belichick (which magically don’t count because they don’t fit the narrative) from the overall figure. Pretty misrepresentative to say only seven of thirty-two when refuse to count Belichick’s six. At least say seven of twenty-eight.


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Going through the last 32 Super Bowls, there's been just 7 "defensive-minded" coaches who have won a combined 13 times. Belichick won 6 times. He played Center and Tight End in college and started out coaching special teams, wide receivers, and tight ends with the Lions ---- and then obviously went on to coach defense with the Giants. Mike Tomlin played WR in college and started out coaching WRs at his first few jobs ---- then went on to coach Tampa's DBs in the early 2000s.

If you take away the Belichick/Brady championships, you could say there's been 6 "defensive-minded" coaches who have won a combined 7 times. 7 out of 32 times.

All the "offensive-minded" head coaches:

Andy Reid = Patrick Mahomes
Sean McVay = Matthew Stafford
Bruce Arians = Tom Brady
Doug Pederson = Nick Foles
Gary Kubiak = Peyton Manning
Tom Coughlin = Eli Manning
Mike McCarthy = Aaron Rodgers
Sean Payton = Drew Brees
John Gruden = Brad Johnson
Brian Billick = Trent Dilfer
Dick Vermeil = Kurt Warner
Mike Shanahan = John Elway
Mike Holmgren = Brett Favre
Barry Switzer = Troy Aikman

"Defensive-minded" head coaches:

Pete Carroll = Russel Wilson
John Harbaugh = Joe Flacco
Mike Tomlin = Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Dungy = Peyton Manning
Bill Cowher = Ben Roethlisberger
Jimmy Johnson = Troy Aikman

What is the ratio of offensive vs defensive coaches overall in that time frame?

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Read that the Bears want a "leader of men" to be the next head coach.

Sounds great, but what does that even look like and how do you go about finding it?

Does anyone trust the leadership group that has not been able to fix the center problem for the last few years to be able to find the next leader of men?

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Read that the Bears want a "leader of men" to be the next head coach.

Sounds great, but what does that even look like and how do you go about finding it?

Does anyone trust the leadership group that has not been able to fix the center problem for the last few years to be able to find the next leader of men?


Sounds like Jennifer King needs to start looking for her next gig.

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RFDC wrote:
Read that the Bears want a "leader of men" to be the next head coach.

Sounds great, but what does that even look like and how do you go about finding it?

Does anyone trust the leadership group that has not been able to fix the center problem for the last few years to be able to find the next leader of men?

Some good tweets making the rounds from when Flus was hired. Guess what words were used to describe him?

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You absolutely cannot hire the hard-nosed, grindy former defender to lead this team. You need another offensive guy like Nagy was, that's just the reality of where the NFL is at, and what you need to do to have any sustained success with Caleb. Shit if they run the table again kicking the tires on Nagy wouldn't be totally unwarranted.


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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Ron Wolfley wrote:
Going through the last 32 Super Bowls, there's been just 7 "defensive-minded" coaches who have won a combined 13 times. Belichick won 6 times. He played Center and Tight End in college and started out coaching special teams, wide receivers, and tight ends with the Lions ---- and then obviously went on to coach defense with the Giants. Mike Tomlin played WR in college and started out coaching WRs at his first few jobs ---- then went on to coach Tampa's DBs in the early 2000s.

If you take away the Belichick/Brady championships, you could say there's been 6 "defensive-minded" coaches who have won a combined 7 times. 7 out of 32 times.

All the "offensive-minded" head coaches:

Andy Reid = Patrick Mahomes
Sean McVay = Matthew Stafford
Bruce Arians = Tom Brady
Doug Pederson = Nick Foles
Gary Kubiak = Peyton Manning
Tom Coughlin = Eli Manning
Mike McCarthy = Aaron Rodgers
Sean Payton = Drew Brees
John Gruden = Brad Johnson
Brian Billick = Trent Dilfer
Dick Vermeil = Kurt Warner
Mike Shanahan = John Elway
Mike Holmgren = Brett Favre
Barry Switzer = Troy Aikman

"Defensive-minded" head coaches:

Pete Carroll = Russel Wilson
John Harbaugh = Joe Flacco
Mike Tomlin = Ben Roethlisberger
Tony Dungy = Peyton Manning
Bill Cowher = Ben Roethlisberger
Jimmy Johnson = Troy Aikman

What is the ratio of offensive vs defensive coaches overall in that time frame?


What do you mean?


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You absolutely cannot hire the hard-nosed, grindy former defender to lead this team. You need another offensive guy like Nagy was, that's just the reality of where the NFL is at, and what you need to do to have any sustained success with Caleb. Shit if they run the table again kicking the tires on Nagy wouldn't be totally unwarranted.

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You absolutely cannot hire the hard-nosed, grindy former defender to lead this team. You need another offensive guy like Nagy was, that's just the reality of where the NFL is at, and what you need to do to have any sustained success with Caleb. Shit if they run the table again kicking the tires on Nagy wouldn't be totally unwarranted.

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Jesus good lord God man.

Remember that Nagy had Mitch throwing to receivers who were schemed wide open. Now add the current receiving talent and Caleb's abilities.

Yeah, I know, the team under Nagy ended up sucking, but it's about how the NFL works: You can only very rarely hire away coordinators to another coordinator position, so if you want to hold on to offensive play calling talent, they eventually have to end up as your head coach or start out in the position.

How many coordinators can get guys open like KC has seemingly all the time? I presume there are only a few, which makes looking at Nagy again not completely insane, but if you can find that kind of that kind of talent anywhere, I welcome being wrong.


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Nagy was the best Bears coach in recent memory outside of Lovie. Cody Parkey killed him but he was extremely limited by Jaden (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and still found a way to win.

Offensive coaches rule the league for a reason.

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Nagy was the best Bears coach in recent memory outside of Lovie. Cody Parkey killed him but he was extremely limited by Jaden (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and still found a way to win.

Offensive coaches rule the league for a reason.

You never could bring himself to run the ball.


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Apparently Armstrong is agent for Ryan Day,Lincoln RRiley and Brian Kelley.

Don’t speak any of that into existence.


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Nagy was the best Bears coach in recent memory outside of Lovie. Cody Parkey killed him but he was extremely limited by Jaden (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and still found a way to win.

Offensive coaches rule the league for a reason.

You never could bring himself to run the ball.

I tried.

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Come on people. I know we are desperate for a good coach, but lets not talk ourselves into going back to Nagy :lol:

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Offense is the answer.

Bears can’t be Chicago stupid and settle for the 12th best defensive coordinator willing to take the job again.

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Offense is the answer.

Bears can’t be Chicago stupid and settle for the 12th best defensive coordinator willing to take the job again.

What about a coordinater willing to take the jab?

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Nagy was the best Bears coach in recent memory outside of Lovie. Cody Parkey killed him but he was extremely limited by Jaden (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and still found a way to win.

Offensive coaches rule the league for a reason.

You never could bring himself to run the ball.

I tried.

That's what you said every goddam week.


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Trouble in paradise for Nardi and Antioch?!?!?

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Trouble in paradise for Nardi and Antioch?!?!?

Not now, not ever.

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Supposedly Warren is running the HC search and wants a "leader of men", this from a guy that has to read books on leadership to figure out how to be a "leader of men", doubt Warren would recognize an actual "leader of men" because he is not a "leader of men" and George sure as hell is not a "leader of men".

The problem is that NFL HC leaders are often red ass guys that would tell you to go to hell if you handed them a book on leadership, they may appear to be idiots, but football coaching does not really require you to be able to recite poetry.

You also still have Poles picking the groceries and he would never be in sync with a guy like Vrabel who would laugh at his ineptness, or even Ben Johnson who is not an outside zone run guy. You also likely see the death of the Eberflus Cover 2, so will need 700 pounds of ass at DT and want your LB's to be able to support in the run game, they have neither right now.

So you would looking at the HC telling Poles who to draft and sign, likely a total revamp of both lines. Kinda makes more sense to launch Poles and bring in a HC/GM combo that are both on the same page so you can cut the hapless lineman that Poles has signed off the Dollar General discount rack and bring in some actual starting level NFL talent.


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Trouble in paradise for Nardi and Antioch?!?!?

Not now, not ever.

Shut the fuck up

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they'll have plenty of situational coaching questions they can ask candidates

your Qb gets sacked on 2nd down with 32 seconds left and you are 8 yards out of field goal range down by 3... do you call a timeout... or do you not have 2nd play call already set... so you'll take 10-15 seconds to call the play... then when the qb is about to call for the snap with 12 seconds left your QB decides there's not enough time to run this play and audibles the play to something else so the snap happens with 6 seconds left.... which option makes sense to you?

follow up: after the game you have to tell the media with a straight face you were happy with call to not take the timeout


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Mike Vrabel makes the most sense, proven HC with a winning record that will definitely command the respect of the locker room, but way too much of an alpha male for George, Kevin, and Ryan.


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Nagy was the best Bears coach in recent memory outside of Lovie. Cody Parkey killed him but he was extremely limited by Jaden (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and still found a way to win.

Offensive coaches rule the league for a reason.

Nagy was good until he stopped (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky from running and tried to make him play like Peyton Manning.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Nagy was the best Bears coach in recent memory outside of Lovie. Cody Parkey killed him but he was extremely limited by Jaden (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and still found a way to win.

Offensive coaches rule the league for a reason.

Nagy was good until he stopped (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky from running and tried to make him play like Peyton Manning.[/quot

Fangio carried Nagy, his defenses covered up for Nagy's ineptness, you are seeing just how good Fangio is as DC in Philly this year.

Nagy grab ass approach to coaching is remarkably similar to that on one Matt Eberflus, players are not held accountable, sloppy practices, team looks unprepared early in games.


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