Insane thing to say. He’s not even the best rookie QB this year.

What other rookie QB do the Bears have?

I didn't say he was the best rookie QB any team has had.

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Idk you’re sitting here after a three point culmulative offensive performance saying Caleb Williams is still destined for greatness. At this point I’m assuming you and JLN’s delusion knows literally no bounds.

That’s funny coming from a guy clueless on comprehension.

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Says the guy saying Williams is the worst to ever do it.

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He has way more in common with the names mentioned in this thread than he does with Peyton Manning, who you relentlessly compare him to in a favorable way.

I don't compare him to Manning any more than I compare him to Steve Young or Drew Brees.

Rookie QB stats mostly don't matter. Just look at future HPF CJ Stroud and how this year is going.

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Yet you freak out about him not getting enough credit for his stats which you also say don’t matter.

There really is nothing about his play that’s enthusing.

He's played poorly. Does it matter that in his 16th game, he still hasn't improved? I think so but I don't know shit and neither does Purdue Rick.

I just think it's hilarious you won't answer how many of his touchdowns actually count.

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He is at the line of scrimmage with the ability to call audibles from where I see.

Quite a few of those sacks occur as a result of his not accounting for the fact that there are just too MANY people to block. He should be able to read some of that at the line of scrimmage. He isn't however and often times it's leading to a sack.

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"The offensive line isn't that bad, Caleb just needs to call audibles!"

Caleb Williams: Only QB in history to ever be blitzed!

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Rookie QBs not getting protection calls 100% right is nothing new. The lack of help from the offensive line and coordinating staff is unique, however. Outside of that, there's no protection call that prevents a sack when both tackles and a guard fall down trying to pass block.

All of them count, none of them matter.

The more you clowns try and educate the world about the game, the more it becomes clear that you shouldn't be educating the world about the game

Jayden Daniels has 38 sacks.

Bo Nix 22 Sacks.

Caleb Williams 66 sacks.

At some point leave the analysis alone.

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And you think the conclusion to draw from those statistics is that Daniels, Nix and Williams all have effectively the same offensive lines, and it is therefore the fault of Caleb Williams that he has been sacked damn near 70 times this season?

And you think that's sound analysis?

Caleb Williams leads the NFL by a wide margin in "pressure to sack" rate. Of course you will just simply discredit the stat because it doesn't jive with your inane "theories"

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I find issue with "pressure to sack" rate because, outside of having a funny name, it relies on statistics tallied by a scorekeeper, and not only that, it treats all "pressure" on the QB as the same. On top of that, it hasn't been demonstrated that "pressure to sack ratio" is a statistic which QBs can show a direct ability to influence and maintain.

Baseball is baseball, and maybe it's state-based system of play lends itself to intense statistical analysis, but football is not such a sport, and in the NFL, the eye test still rules, especially for production from "non-skill" positions like the offensive line. The eye test in this regard is definitive: The offensive line of the Chicago Bears is terrible, probably one of the worst in the NFL.

He has a problem with the way Pressure To Sack is calculated. I'm sure there will be a revision as a result

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What's the definition of the "pressure" statistic, then? Can you even tell me without looking it up?

Man this guy actually has to nerve to say the eye test is definitive.

Please lay out your argument that the offensive line of the Chicago Bears is Actually Good. I'll forget for the moment your "they're an above average defense" line.

She's got a pressure to saaack, and she don't care. My baby don't care!

But seriously having that many sacks is indicative of a terrible offensive line. You can't pin all that on the quarterback. I keep going back to the Thanksgiving game where one guy just sorta stood there while the Lions defender ran right past him and devoured Williams. You can't look at plays like that and say "man, that guy can't get rid of it." If we're going to weight touchdowns based on the state of play, we have to do the same for sacks.

Zooming out from that a bit, on the topic of league expansion, which seems to be the next big enchilada: who, pray tell, is going to block for another 2-8 quarterbacks? There's not even enough talent covering the 32 we have now. There just aren't that many strapping large men who can pull at least a 15 on the Wonderlic test.

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Heard quite an interesting discussion yesterday about playing time for Caleb in the Green Bay game, do you take him out if he struggles and have him watch Bagent for a half or a quarter?

It would accomplish a few things, get a look at the offense with a guy that can make the right reads and check downs to see if anyone is worth keeping for next year and send a strong message to Caleb by showing him what he is missing. You also either showcase Bagent or get a read on what you have at backup.

If you had a strong and smart GM this could come from him, but we have neither, so it will not happen, but worth considering.

The new HC will not necessarily be kissing Caleb's ass next year and could ask to bring in a vet QB and open up a competition at QB.

A vet HC like Vrabel will not put up with a whiny young QB moping around and would likely sit Caleb if he shits the bed again early next year.

This is all the more reason to move on from Poles quickly so the new HC/GM pairing can start evaluating everyone on the roster, most notably Caleb Williams, no one on this roster should be safe next season, the current players have created a culture of losing and ineptitude, Warren and Poles have contributed mightily to that culture by not holding the players accountable.

I predict that Williams miraculously takes far less sacks next year. It's the thing I'm worried the least about with him.

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Hence the name, Brick McCarver

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That's why I like the nickname. Simple arguments are all I have to make.

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This isn't true. Pressure to sack rate has shown to be pretty sticky as a predictive stat, and the QB owns it. It's one of the more correlative stats translating from college to the pros as well.

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