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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 3/16
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:32 pm 
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IB he still isn't a #1 WR and never will be.


Why does he need to be? #2 WRs have a lot of value too. That's pretty much what Berrian was, and there was much gnashing of teeth when he left. Now, you have Bernard Berrian for a fraction of the cost.

am i wrong or isn't he paid very well? Unless i'm mistaken he's a good player but very oversaid

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 3/16
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am i wrong or isn't he paid very well? Unless i'm mistaken he's a good player but very oversaid

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7/27/2008: Signed a four-year, $40.975 million contract extension through 2013.
The deal contains $15 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus and $18.939 million in performance-based escalators. $250,000 workout bonuses are available in each year.
2009: $550,000 (+ $5 million roster bonus),
2010: $750,000 (+ $5 million roster bonus),
2011: $1.5835 million,
2012: $1.646 million,
2013: $1,857,523 (+ $10 million "deescalating" roster bonus),
2014: Free Agent. Cap charge: $6,885,883 (2009).

They just played the supposed best FA WR from this Summer, Houshmandzadeh. He got

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five-year, $40 million contract. The deal includes $15 million guaranteed. 2009-2013: Under Contract, 2014: Free Agent. Cap charge: $5.9 million (2009).


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 3/16
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Works out similarly, but without the age-related future cap hit. Those numbers on a 32 (I think) year old WR should, realistically speaking, be prorated to expect a cap hit around year three to compensate for the expected rise in the risk of getting cut, which is substantial at that age. That risk is lower for a guy in his mid-20s, even for similar levels of production. The cap hit from cutting- not from playing- is what gets a team a lot of the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 3/16
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:24 pm 
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For reference, the contract of Greg Jennings who was drafted the same round and year as Hester. Last seen running into the endzone in week 1, defeating the beloved..
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6/23/2009: Signed a four-year, $26.885 million contract. The cap-friendly deal (after 2009) contains $16.25 million guaranteed, including an $11.25 million signing bonus and Jennings' first-year base salary. Another $3 million is available through incentives, including $25,000 per game played, $25,000 each season if he plays in 12 games and the Packers make the playoffs, and escalators maxing out at $700,000 in 2010, $1 million in 2011, and $1.25 million in 2012 based on playing time and team performance. $300,000 offseason workout bonuses are available 2010-2012.
2009: $5 million,
2010: $1.85 million,
2011: $2.7 million,
2012: $3.885 million,
2013: Free Agent.
Cap charges: $8.154 million (2009), $5.004 million (2010), $5.854 million (2011), $7.039 million (2012).

The only receiver drafted in the first round that year was Santonio Holmes, but he's still on rookie contract.


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 3/16
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:34 pm 
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so yeah basically hester is overpaid like hell

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 3/16
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Nas wrote:
He may be the best WR in the division.


2nd best. Calvin Johnson is #1

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 3/16
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:23 pm 
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RFDC wrote:
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He may be the best WR in the division.


2nd best. Calvin Johnson is #1

agreed. He's barely the best wr on his team. I agree with nas but it doesn't change the fact hester is clearly overpaid

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 3/16
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Irish Boy wrote:
Why does he need to be? #2 WRs have a lot of value too. That's pretty much what Berrian was, and there was much gnashing of teeth when he left. Now, you have Bernard Berrian for a fraction of the cost.

Didn't see the Berrian comparison before. Berrian makes

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Signed a six-year, $43.4 million contract. The deal contains $16 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus and a first-year roster bonus of $8 million.
2009: $2.395 million (+ $3 million roster bonus),
2010: $3.7 million,
2011: $3.9 million,
2012: $6.9 million,
2013: $7.9 million,
2014: Free Agent

1/1 is a fraction though, you're correct :D


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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 3/16
PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:27 am 
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Let's put this in perspective,the Bears best friend the last 2 weeks have been their opponents kickers.The Bengals beat the Steelers at home.So after 3 games they just average.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 3/16
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Let's put this in perspective,the Bears best friend the last 2 weeks have been their opponents kickers.The Bengals beat the Steelers at home.So after 3 games they just average.

Jim Mora, Jr., the rookie Seahawks' head coach, really gave veteran Olindo Mare the business after missing 2 makeable field goals yesterday in his postgame news conference. By the way, those lime green uniforms the Seahawks wore yesterday were awfully distracting, let alone hideous! :oops: :x


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