So was he the one actually making the picks? I thought he was director of scouting at his last 2 stops

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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I hope that isn't your defense.

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Not defending him, just asking. Has he been the guy making picks before?

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

IB, clearly you are not a fan of Emery. Who was your guy you wanted the Bears to hire?

I liked the things he did in the things leading up to the draft. He got Cutler a WR that can go get the ball. He addressed the back up QB position. He got a good RB to give you some insurance with the whole Forte deal. I like bringing in Hayes to help the LB.

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Ok so far he has drafted an undersized white defense lineman. Like someone pointed out to me the other day, name all the great white D lineman in the last 5-10 years. Not racist, just pointing it out. He drafted a WR with weight concerns(after reading more about this guy I actually like him though) and he drafted a safety that did not play at all last year.

What the FUCK.

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Jared Allen has been pretty good. JJ Watt with the Texans has been good.

How is Howie Long's kid doing?

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Close the book on this draft. No pick in the 5th and I'm going to go out on a limb and say this group isn't the type that going to find late round gems.

My closing comment- get Burfict as an UDFA just to see what he has. He could be a guy you groom to replace Urlacher.

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Jared Allen
Chris Long
Jason Babin
Kyle Williams
Justin Smith
JJ Watt
Kyle Vanden Bosch
Aaron Kampman
Patrick Kerney

Someone pointed out to you something stupid.

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I don't follow NFL inter-office crap all that closely to be honest. I just know that, in all of professional football, there has to be someone with better credentials than Emery. His record as a scout is below mediocre, and that supposedly is his best asset.

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That is what I have been saying. I looked him up after the hire and there was absolutely nothing that stood out. He had 1 good draft in KC and who knows what he was even responsible for. Trading for Brandon Marshall and signing Michael Bush are things anyone could have done so this love for him seems very premature.

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Just so we are clear, so far in this draft the Bears picked:

1.) a pass rushing specialist who didn't get sacks in the Mountain West
2.) a cornerback who can't play cornerback in the NFL
3.) a pass catching tight end who didn't catch passes in college

And they reached above projections for all three players.

I like the Jeffrey pick FWIW.

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That's entirely the problem. Marshall's past production isn't nearly as impressive as people think it is.

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^^^THIS HALLELUJAH THIS^^^

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5 straight years of over 1,000 yards receiving with 3 years of over 100 receptions. How is that not impressive? Maybe he won't produce going forward, but it seems has has produced every year so far.

2007 Denver Broncos 102 1,325
2008 Denver Broncos 104 1,265
2009 Denver Broncos 101 1,120
2010 Miami Dolphins 86 1,014
2011 Miami Dolphins 81 1,214

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Being a receiver is like being a basketball player. You can't just look at the made shots. There's a denominator too.

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ok. Explain what I am missing then. What is not impressive about 5 seasons like that, especially considering the complete ineptitude of the Bears WRs over the last 30 years?

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That those 100 receptions come at the cost of 60+ incompletions.

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Taken from RFDC

2007 Denver Broncos 102 1,325
2008 Denver Broncos 104 1,265
2009 Denver Broncos 101 1,120
2010 Miami Dolphins 86 1,014
2011 Miami Dolphins 81 1,214

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Taken from Dave in Champaign

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I see 3 great players here along with some average players as well with maybe one or two good seasons.

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Also, before I get John Kirked after I disappear again for six months, I didn't dislike the trade, exactly. The price was fairly cheap in draft picks, although the cap hit is relatively hard for the production. He's a useful player. He has more upside with Jay Cutler than Chad Henne, though last year was actually one of his better seasons. But he is not nearly as superfantastic as Chicago fans think, and having to watch him for 16 games will hammer that home.

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Every one of those players made a Pro Bowl within the past five years except for Long, who was a multiple-alternate, and JJ Watt, who was a rookie last season. Your friend made a stupid point.

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Call me nuts but I would take quite a few of these players in a heartbeat.



Pass Dropped
Rank Player Team Stats
1 Roddy White Atl 15
2t Dwayne Bowe KC 12
2t Greg Little Cle 12
2t Brandon Marshall Mia 12
5 Jermichael Finley GB 11
6 Nate Burleson Det 10
7t Dallas Clark Ind 9
7t DeSean Jackson Phi 9
9 Jerome Simpson Cin 8
10t Anquan Boldin Bal 7
10t Antonio Brown Pit 7
10t Michael Crabtree SF 7
10t Victor Cruz NYG 7
10t Brandon Gibson StL 7
10t Hakeem Nicks NYG 7
10t Brandon Pettigrew Det 7
10t Ray Rice Bal 7
10t Steve Smith Car 7
10t Mike Tolbert SD 7
10t Benjamin Watson Cle 7
10t Mike Williams TB 7
10t Roy Williams Chi 7

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Who said anything about drops? Try to keep up.

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So what is going to be bad? It it incompletions like Dave suggested?

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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If your making the pro bowl is your arguing point than just stop because pretty much everyone can make the pro bowl with the amount of people that back out. David Garrard made the pro bowl in 2010 and he was the 13th ranked passer that year.

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Where are those 60 incomplete passes coming from?

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Yep. He's going to get a lot of catches, but he's going to demand a lot of passes too, at least if he is used like he has been. If they dial back the usage he'll probably catch a higher percentage, which is good, but his regular counting stats will be worse and everyone will wonder why he is "sucking" as a bear.

And once again, I don't think he'll be bad exactly, though there's a very real chance he goes all Metta World Peace and punches Charles Woodson in the throat. He is a useful player. He has been lauded as much more.

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Uncaught passes targeted at Marshall.

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