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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:18 am 
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He's still good. The drops are part of the package.


Yep, and he gives them something they never had. People will bitch that he dropped at TD pass last night, but the thing is no other Bears WR over the last few years would have made that play either.

I agree with the both of youse, I would take him on my team anytime. As long as the off field stuff doesn't come into play, he will be the goods.

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hes just like every other washed up receiver we get in this town. they still ok until they get here. then they mushin muhommud their way to retirement. fuck this team they fuckin blow again this year what a bunch of pathetic losers fuck them all

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RFDC wrote:
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He's still good. The drops are part of the package.


Yep, and he gives them something they never had. People will bitch that he dropped at TD pass last night, but the thing is no other Bears WR over the last few years would have made that play either.



Kellen Davis would have and did. I'll take 1 Kellen Davis over 1000 Brandon Marshall's

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RFDC wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
He's still good. The drops are part of the package.


Yep, and he gives them something they never had. People will bitch that he dropped at TD pass last night, but the thing is no other Bears WR over the last few years would have made that play either.

It was a flag football level catch. Any NFL receiver should have made it.

But once again, the drops are just the most obvious manifestation of the problem. But two other plays sum up the Brandon Marshall experience nicely. First, he misplayed a ball in the air in the end zone. That won't count as a drop but the effect is the same. Second, they'll force passes to him whether they are or aren't there. That won't show up on his stats either but they are INTs just the same.

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Irish Boy wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
He's still good. The drops are part of the package.


Yep, and he gives them something they never had. People will bitch that he dropped at TD pass last night, but the thing is no other Bears WR over the last few years would have made that play either.

It was a flag football level catch. Any NFL receiver should have made it.

But once again, the drops are just the most obvious manifestation of the problem. But two other plays sum up the Brandon Marshall experience nicely. First, he misplayed a ball in the air in the end zone. That won't count as a drop but the effect is the same. Second, they'll force passes to him whether they are or aren't there. That won't show up on his stats either but they are INTs just the same.


So you would be happier if he was not on the Bears?

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RFDC wrote:
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He's still good. The drops are part of the package.


Yep, and he gives them something they never had. People will bitch that he dropped at TD pass last night, but the thing is no other Bears WR over the last few years would have made that play either.

It was a flag football level catch. Any NFL receiver should have made it.

But once again, the drops are just the most obvious manifestation of the problem. But two other plays sum up the Brandon Marshall experience nicely. First, he misplayed a ball in the air in the end zone. That won't count as a drop but the effect is the same. Second, they'll force passes to him whether they are or aren't there. That won't show up on his stats either but they are INTs just the same.


So you would be happier if he was not on the Bears?

As with everything, depends on the price. The Bears gave up a decent draft pick for the privilege of paying market rate on a wide receiver. That's defensible for certain types of players. But Marshall's skill-set is overvalued by fans and probably overvalued by GMs. Salary cap league, yo.

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It was a flag football level catch. Any NFL receiver should have made it.

But once again, the drops are just the most obvious manifestation of the problem. But two other plays sum up the Brandon Marshall experience nicely. First, he misplayed a ball in the air in the end zone. That won't count as a drop but the effect is the same. Second, they'll force passes to him whether they are or aren't there. That won't show up on his stats either but they are INTs just the same.


So you would be happier if he was not on the Bears?[/quote]
As with everything, depends on the price. The Bears gave up a decent draft pick for the privilege of paying market rate on a wide receiver. That's defensible for certain types of players. But Marshall's skill-set is overvalued by fans and probably overvalued by GMs. Salary cap league, yo.[/quote]

Vincent Jackson was the most closely related WR on the market. Jackson is older but signed for more years and more money. The Bucs had a ton of money so they weren't going to let him get away anyway.

The next WR was Pierre Garcon. He is far much less accomplished and signed for comparable money to what Marshall is making.

Marshall has warts but it was a good football move.

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Vincent Jackson was the most closely related WR on the market. Jackson is older but signed for more years and more money.


He also didn't cost two draft picks.

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Dave In Champaign wrote:
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Vincent Jackson was the most closely related WR on the market. Jackson is older but signed for more years and more money.


He also didn't cost two draft picks.


but Marshall is a better player

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Vincent Jackson was the most closely related WR on the market. Jackson is older but signed for more years and more money.


He also didn't cost two draft picks.


but Marshall is a better player


Unless you think "better" means "healthier," he absolutely is not.

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I also think Marshall isnt better than Jackson. But it's obvious by this thread I'm not a big fan of Marshall's.

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I also think Marshall isnt better than Jackson. But it's obvious by this thread I'm not a big fan of Marshall's.


By what measure?

Marshall is far more accomplished than Jackson in fewer seasons.

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I'd be curious too see how many games Marshall would win you versus loose.


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Dave In Champaign wrote:
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Vincent Jackson was the most closely related WR on the market. Jackson is older but signed for more years and more money.


He also didn't cost two draft picks.


but Marshall is a better player


Unless you think "better" means "healthier," he absolutely is not.


It is a relevant part of the equation but I don't think there are a lot of metrics that would favor Jackson either.

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It is a relevant part of the equation but I don't think there are a lot of metrics that would favor Jackson either.


http://www.footballoutsiders.com/player ... n-marshall

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/player ... nt-jackson

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At least 2 today so far. :x

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He's no Marty Booker...


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Wow. Had no idea this was part of the arsenal. That's worrisome.


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Wow. Had no idea this was part of the arsenal. That's worrisome.


I had no idea either. Not many people talked about it. It is worrisome.


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Is it just me or is Earl Bennett dropping a lot of passes this year also

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Is it just me or is Earl Bennett dropping a lot of passes this year also

Regressing to the mean. He was like glue the last couple years


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12 catches 144 yds and a TD

He is just absolutely awful for this team.

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I'd be curious too see how many games Marshall would win you versus loose.


How does someone loose a game?

I know how someone can lose a game. I'm a Cubs fan after all.


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I'd be curious too see how many games Marshall would win you versus loose.


How does someone loose a game?

I know how someone can lose a game. I'm a Cubs fan after all.

This is the definition of Irony.

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12 catches 144 yds and a TD

He is just absolutely awful for this team.

He's been a B- at best this year.

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12 catches 144 yds and a TD

He is just absolutely awful for this team.

He's been a B- at best this year.


Through 5 games

35 recs 496 yds 3 TDs

So that means he is on pace for something like:

100 recs 1400 yds 9 TDs

B- or not, I will gladly take that.

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RFDC wrote:
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12 catches 144 yds and a TD

He is just absolutely awful for this team.

He's been a B- at best this year.


Through 5 games

35 recs 496 yds 3 TDs

So that means he is on pace for something like:

100 recs 1400 yds 9 TDs

B- or not, I will gladly take that.


Ok that's find for you and I'm glad your happy, but like someone else said, so far it's similar to averaging 28 ppg on 40% FG so far(nba parallel). He hasn't been great at all.

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So just where are all of these drops that B Marsh is supppsed to have? He has been great.

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