Rick, we get it. You're butthurt your BFF Orton is a backup. I promise you this, if Cutler is cut, he won't be a backup. So if you want me to rank Jay... JAY > ORKMAN.

I apologize. I want to rectify my misconception. Can you please, in some way, put him in context to other QB's in the league? This will help me greatly.

This is what annoys me about the whole Cutler thing. People like you will make every excuse in the book for him and even in a game when he basically throws two pick 6's, you say he was "really really good today." It is just hard to follow.

Deep down, I think you do think he's elite. You just know how ludicrous that sounds, so you refuse to actually share your real feelings, and instead use the standard "Well, he's not Aaron Rodgers" which leaves you a massive area. I will ask once again to name the three NFL QB's he's closest to in the NFL. This will help me to understand you better.

Probably, but I really couldn't care less one way or the other about what you think the Bears should do, GM Rick.

I will play this game, Cutler to me is similar to Flacco, Ryan, Romo, Schaub and Stafford.

Now my question is this, how would a guy like Matt Ryan do in this Bears offense? would the offense be significantly better, marginally better, the same, or worse?

Then again, I'm sure next year we'll hear about dropped passes, bad offensive gameplans, and bad offensive lines too.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

There you go Bucky Chris. My point is made.
Significantly better.

You refuse to put any part of the blame anywhere other than Jay Cutler. Its flat out wrong. I'm responding because you are wrong. You have been wrong, and until you admit this and admit that the QB play- while needing to be improved- is nowhere near the biggest problem on the offensive side of the ball.

In general, in the NFL, I think it's really hard to excuse bad QB play because of other players not performing. Of course there is blame on a lot of other players, but it doesn't excuse bad QB play either. Offensive lines do a poor job blocking, WR's drop passes, and offensive coordinators make bad calls all over the league. The Jets offense as a whole sucks too, but that doesn't excuse what Mark Sanchez does out there.

You really think a statue like Matt Ryan would make this offense significantly better?

I guess there is no point debating this.

In general, in the NFL, I think it's really hard to excuse bad QB play because of other players not performing. Of course there is blame on a lot of other players, but it doesn't excuse bad QB play either. Offensive lines do a poor job blocking, WR's drop passes, and offensive coordinators make bad calls all over the league. The Jets offense as a whole sucks too, but that doesn't excuse what Mark Sanchez does out there.

Do you think the first INT was bad QB play?

This is where we disagree violently. This isn't hitting in baseball. A QB's play is heavily dependent on everybody else. The offensive line, and Jay Cutler executed two plays perfectly that would have resulted in touchdowns but for 2 bad drops by receivers. Jay gets an incompletion, when in reality those 2 catches alone equal 2 more TDs for his stat line, and a W.

Why not? You don't have to run to avoid sacks. QB's with less running ability do it all the time in the NFL.

I know that Ryan could throw it to Marshall as effectively.

Hypothetical W flag time!

Since I don't have the NFL Sunday Ticket package, I watch a lot other QBs too. I hate to break this to you, but things like that happen on teams all over the place. Even elite WRs drop passes from elite QBs. It is the QBs job to go make another good throw when a good throw doesn't work out.

I wouldn't take Cutler over Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Brady, Ryan, that's for sure. In no sense is he elite, but he's good enough to be a starting NFL QB.

Hypothetical W flag time!

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

It's not a hypothetical. They dropped the ball. That is not Cutler's fault. He deserves no blame. In other words, those plays are not a result of bad QB play, but he is penalized for it.

And the point you don't realize is, none of us care about the other QBs around we league! Or what happens elsewhere! We don't care where he ranks among them. We see plays that SHOULD be made, that would win the Bears games. That's all that matters to us Bears fans.

Kinda like hypothetical "Matt Ryan would be significantly better" in the Bears offense time?

And the point you don't realize is, none of us care about the other QBs around we league! Or what happens elsewhere! We don't care where he ranks among them. We see plays that SHOULD be made, that would win the Bears games. That's all that matters to us Bears fans.

I think this perfectly captures the mindset of Cutler apologists. It's really all that needs to be said and /thread.

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

[quote=And when Cutler throws it to a double covered Brandon Marshall and he makes an amazing play to go up and get the ball should Cutler get credit?

Rick you've never given him credit. Even after great games you'd point out he hasn't done it over a season. You tend to focus on the bad.

Didn't know you were in the "Please be nice to Jay Cutler" crowd now.

Im not. I just don't think you judge him fairly.

He's a little above average. You act like he's terrible

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

He's a little above average. You act like he's terrible

Exactly, and he acts like anyone that does not think he is terrible thinks he is an elite top 5 QB. Well of course I mean deep down they think that.