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If one year ago you had said instead that they were going to hire Tim Tebow's offensive coordinator, would the laughing have been less?
I get your point but I still think that would be better. McCoy did some real good work with Orton too and all he did was win with Tebow.

This guy literally has a website soliciting his services as a qb consultant for the NFL draft.


I don't have a problem with the QB consulting. He's a well-trained expert. A guy has to eat.

I have a problem with him not having recent NFL experience. He's not a "CFL guy". He a 20-year NFL veteran that's recently been in the CFL. If he'd gotten an NFL job 10 years ago, nobody would have had much of an issue with it. He'd have just been another successful OC that took the step up. The gamble is whether the NFL game has passed him by. I think he's as likely to be successful as any other candidate that was available to them.


He was a QB coach that bounced around the NFL. NO ONE WANTED HIM FOR 10 YEARS! In the NFL 10 years isn't "recent" experience. He couldn't even get a college job.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I don't have a problem with the QB consulting. He's a well-trained expert. A guy has to eat.
I don't have a problem with the consulting. I have a problem that it seems like it's still a big part of his resume.
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I have a problem with him not having recent NFL experience. He's not a "CFL guy". He a 20-year NFL veteran that's recently been in the CFL. If he'd gotten an NFL job 10 years ago, nobody would have had much of an issue with it. He'd have just been another successful OC that took the step up. The gamble is whether the NFL game has passed him by. I think he's as likely to be successful as any other candidate that was available to them.
I'm less concerned about him being passed by but why he was passed by. Going from the NFL to the CFL is a major step down. That doesn't happen for no reason.

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I don't have a problem with the QB consulting. He's a well-trained expert. A guy has to eat.
I don't have a problem with the consulting. I have a problem that it seems like it's still a big part of his resume.


There are some decent names on that list but there are some god awful names on that list like Tebow and Clausen. The good and bad seem to even out.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I don't have a problem with the QB consulting. He's a well-trained expert. A guy has to eat.
I don't have a problem with the consulting. I have a problem that it seems like it's still a big part of his resume.
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I have a problem with him not having recent NFL experience. He's not a "CFL guy". He a 20-year NFL veteran that's recently been in the CFL. If he'd gotten an NFL job 10 years ago, nobody would have had much of an issue with it. He'd have just been another successful OC that took the step up. The gamble is whether the NFL game has passed him by. I think he's as likely to be successful as any other candidate that was available to them.
I'm less concerned about him being passed by but why he was passed by. Going from the NFL to the CFL is a major step down. That doesn't happen for no reason.


It happened because I'm guessing people questioned whether he could lead a team. Going to the CFL allowed him to prove he is more than an OC, and can handle all phases of the team.

Why didn't he go to college? Guessing he couldn't continue working with draft QBs. Just a guess.


And he was the runner up for the Colts job last year, so this isn't totally out of left field.


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He was a QB coach that bounced around the NFL. NO ONE WANTED HIM FOR 10 YEARS! In the NFL 10 years isn't "recent" experience. He couldn't even get a college job.


He was OC for 4 teams, including a Super Bowl team. You're just trying to make it seem worse.

Plus, you don't know he "couldn't get a college job". I heard of 1, maybe 2, that he might even have been considered for so you don't really know his mindset. Sounds like Walsh, who he really respected, advised him to get head coaching experience. Who's to say he couldn't have come back to the NFL as an OC and chose not to pursue it to develop the HC experience. People are making a lot of assumptions about his history.

That said, he's a gamble but not that much moreso than any other hot OC candidate (of which there weren't many). Would Arians have been better? Why did he coach for 456 years without anyone wanting him as an HC? But, it seems he did OK when given the chance. It's always a crapshoot at some level. This is about Emery. Do we trust his judgement? Find out.

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Have you looked at their roster?


Most of their starters played NCAA ball. Probably spent time in NFL camps. Are 25-30 year old pros. That's irrelevent to my point though. The tasks of the jobs are similar. You are motivating men, not boys.

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He was a QB coach that bounced around the NFL. NO ONE WANTED HIM FOR 10 YEARS! In the NFL 10 years isn't "recent" experience. He couldn't even get a college job.


Exactly. No one wanted him in the NFL or college. And even when he found steady employment in the NFL, he bounced around from team to team like a pinball.

Maybe he'll be good and maybe he won't. But his credentials don't seem to compare to someone like Arians, whom many believe was the NFL coach of the year in 2012.

My belief is that Emery wanted Trestman all along and only conducted a "comprehensive" coaching search as a ruse because he knew his choice would be controversial. Now he can claim that Trestman outshone some of the most respected offensive minds in the NFL during the interview process.

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Why didn't he go to college? Guessing he couldn't continue working with draft QBs. Just a guess.
I doubt it since he was trying to get back to college multiple times.
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And he was the runner up for the Colts job last year, so this isn't totally out of left field.
When is the last time an NFL team hired a CFL coach as a head coach? It's kind of out left field.

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He was a QB coach that bounced around the NFL. NO ONE WANTED HIM FOR 10 YEARS! In the NFL 10 years isn't "recent" experience. He couldn't even get a college job.


Exactly. No one wanted him in the NFL or college. And even when he found steady employment in the NFL, he bounced around from team to team like a pinball.


Every assistant bounces around. Arians has been with 4 teams since 2000. What's the difference between Trestman bouncing around and Arians bouncing around?

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I also think Trestman was Emery's guy all along. He said he was looking for someone who had shown a track record of "excellence" in whatever job that was. He said something like he would look for people in the NFL, college, or "wherever."

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
This is about Emery. Do we trust his judgement? Find out.


Not so far. He has no clear record of accomplishment in the NFL. His first draft looks bad. His decision to overspend at running back is out of step with the direction of the league. And his best acquisition, Brandon Marshall, is a genial sociopath who will likely thrust himself into more legal problems before his Bears tenure is complete.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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He was a QB coach that bounced around the NFL. NO ONE WANTED HIM FOR 10 YEARS! In the NFL 10 years isn't "recent" experience. He couldn't even get a college job.


Exactly. No one wanted him in the NFL or college. And even when he found steady employment in the NFL, he bounced around from team to team like a pinball.


Every assistant bounces around. Arians has been with 4 teams since 2000. What's the difference between Trestman bouncing around and Arians bouncing around?

Since 2004, Bruce Arians has been with the Steelers for eight years and the Colts for one. Since 2004, Trestman has been with the Dolphins, NC State, out of football, and Montreal. That's a difference.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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He was a QB coach that bounced around the NFL. NO ONE WANTED HIM FOR 10 YEARS! In the NFL 10 years isn't "recent" experience. He couldn't even get a college job.


Exactly. No one wanted him in the NFL or college. And even when he found steady employment in the NFL, he bounced around from team to team like a pinball.


Every assistant bounces around. Arians has been with 4 teams since 2000. What's the difference between Trestman bouncing around and Arians bouncing around?


The difference is that Arians is arguably coach of the year in the NFL whereas Trestman is a former CFL coach of the year. Which do you prefer?

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Bucky Chris wrote:
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I don't have a problem with the QB consulting. He's a well-trained expert. A guy has to eat.
I don't have a problem with the consulting. I have a problem that it seems like it's still a big part of his resume.
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I have a problem with him not having recent NFL experience. He's not a "CFL guy". He a 20-year NFL veteran that's recently been in the CFL. If he'd gotten an NFL job 10 years ago, nobody would have had much of an issue with it. He'd have just been another successful OC that took the step up. The gamble is whether the NFL game has passed him by. I think he's as likely to be successful as any other candidate that was available to them.
I'm less concerned about him being passed by but why he was passed by. Going from the NFL to the CFL is a major step down. That doesn't happen for no reason.


It happened because I'm guessing people questioned whether he could lead a team. Going to the CFL allowed him to prove he is more than an OC, and can handle all phases of the team.

Why didn't he go to college? Guessing he couldn't continue working with draft QBs. Just a guess.


And he was the runner up for the Colts job last year, so this isn't totally out of left field.


No one but Lovie wanted to hire him as an OC in the NFL. He couldn't get a job. Not even as a QB coach. I imagine they make more than CFL coaches make. I imagine the contract he signs with the Bears will be more money than he's made coaching in the CFL for the last 10 years.


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I'm tired of the Bears being average to above average.

Make us the Chiefs Phil Emery. Get us a number 1 draft pick!

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Since 2004, Bruce Arians has been with the Steelers for eight years and the Colts for one. Since 2004, Trestman has been with the Dolphins, NC State, out of football, and Montreal. That's a difference.


And before that he was with the Colts for 2, Alabama for 1, Saints for 1, Miss St. for 3, KC for 3 and on and on. So, he bounced around until he didn't bounce around.

Trestman has been HC for one organization for 5 years in a row and people are bitching because he didn't move and their bitching because he used to move all the time.


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The difference is that Arians is arguably coach of the year in the NFL whereas Trestman is a former CFL coach of the year. Which do you prefer?


Arians. Probably.

But, I don't discount that Trestman can coach an offense. I'm not really excited about any of these guys.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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He was a QB coach that bounced around the NFL. NO ONE WANTED HIM FOR 10 YEARS! In the NFL 10 years isn't "recent" experience. He couldn't even get a college job.


He was OC for 4 teams, including a Super Bowl team. You're just trying to make it seem worse.

Plus, you don't know he "couldn't get a college job". I heard of 1, maybe 2, that he might even have been considered for so you don't really know his mindset. Sounds like Walsh, who he really respected, advised him to get head coaching experience. Who's to say he couldn't have come back to the NFL as an OC and chose not to pursue it to develop the HC experience. People are making a lot of assumptions about his history.

That said, he's a gamble but not that much moreso than any other hot OC candidate (of which there weren't many). Would Arians have been better? Why did he coach for 456 years without anyone wanting him as an HC? But, it seems he did OK when given the chance. It's always a crapshoot at some level. This is about Emery. Do we trust his judgement? Find out.


Jacksonville should hire a guy like this. A team that's rebuilding should hire a guy like this. This was easily the best available opening and this is the best the Bears could do. I don't think I have to make him seem worse. The facts do a pretty good job at that. All the other candidates have had some recent success. Will he send the punting unit out after 2nd down? Right now do you actually feel he is an upgrade over Lovie?


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Right now do you actually feel he is an upgrade over Lovie?
I believe that if the Bears are 7-1 (or 7-3) next year, they will make the playoffs.

So yes, upgrade over Lovie.

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He was a QB coach that bounced around the NFL. NO ONE WANTED HIM FOR 10 YEARS! In the NFL 10 years isn't "recent" experience. He couldn't even get a college job.


Exactly. No one wanted him in the NFL or college. And even when he found steady employment in the NFL, he bounced around from team to team like a pinball.

Maybe he'll be good and maybe he won't. But his credentials don't seem to compare to someone like Arians, whom many believe was the NFL coach of the year in 2012.

My belief is that Emery wanted Trestman all along and only conducted a "comprehensive" coaching search as a ruse because he knew his choice would be controversial. Now he can claim that Trestman outshone some of the most respected offensive minds in the NFL during the interview process.


I agree. That's why Jimmy Johnson called it.


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Trestman's CFL experience seems to be what many are choosing to focus on. He has vast experience in the NFL as well. He was a quarterbacks coach as well as an Offensive Coordinator and did a good job making a guy like Rich Gannon an NFL MVP. The experience he has as a head coach in the CFL is good, in that he has experience dealing with the whole package already, rather than just dealing with the offense. Emery made a bold choice, rather than going with a safer, more conservative one. I am intrigued by the selection and look forward to watching the 2013 Bears offense.

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That said, he's a gamble but not that much moreso than any other hot OC candidate (of which there weren't many). Would Arians have been better? Why did he coach for 456 years without anyone wanting him as an HC? But, it seems he did OK when given the chance. It's always a crapshoot at some level. This is about Emery. Do we trust his judgement? Find out.


Exactly. People all bitching and speculating. No one knows.

Give the man a chance to prove himself.

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Right now do you actually feel he is an upgrade over Lovie?
I believe that if the Bears are 7-1 (or 7-3) next year, they will make the playoffs.

So yes, upgrade over Lovie.


Great! I think you would have been a better head coach.


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Makaveli wrote:
Right now do you actually feel he is an upgrade over Lovie?


Right now I don't think any of these guys are an upgrade over Lovie. None of them. That's the nature of these things. How can an interim HC or a CFL guy or a relatively inexperienced OC be an upgrade over a guy that's won a bunch of games and been to 2 NFC Championships and a Super Bowl?

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Trestman's CFL experience seems to be what many are choosing to focus on. He has vast experience in the NFL as well. He was a quarterbacks coach as well as an Offensive Coordinator and did a good job making a guy like Rich Gannon an NFL MVP. The experience he has as a head coach in the CFL is good, in that he has experience dealing with the whole package already, rather than just dealing with the offense. Emery made a bold choice, rather than going with a safer, more conservative one. I am intrigued by the selection and look forward to watching the 2013 Bears offense.


No one can answer the question why he kept bouncing around. Everyone claims he was so good at every stop but no one wanted to keep him. No one wanted him but Lovie.


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That said, he's a gamble but not that much moreso than any other hot OC candidate (of which there weren't many). Would Arians have been better? Why did he coach for 456 years without anyone wanting him as an HC? But, it seems he did OK when given the chance. It's always a crapshoot at some level. This is about Emery. Do we trust his judgement? Find out.


Exactly. People all bitching and speculating. No one knows.

Give the man a chance to prove himself.


I feel better; was coming here to ask why everyone was in such a tizzy, but apparently it's not quite everyone.

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Right now do you actually feel he is an upgrade over Lovie?
I believe that if the Bears are 7-1 (or 7-3) next year, they will make the playoffs.

So yes, upgrade over Lovie.
Great! I think you would have been a better head coach.
I'd have moved Zorich to linebacker.

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Right now do you actually feel he is an upgrade over Lovie?


Right now I don't think any of these guys are an upgrade over Lovie. None of them. That's the nature of these things. How can an interim HC or a CFL guy or a relatively inexperienced OC be an upgrade over a guy that's won a bunch of games and been to 2 NFC Championships and a Super Bowl?


IMO the other guys could have been. It's easier to find a good defensive coordinator than a good offensive coordinator. Those other guys had success calling plays and one was the CoY.


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Trestman's CFL experience seems to be what many are choosing to focus on. He has vast experience in the NFL as well. He was a quarterbacks coach as well as an Offensive Coordinator and did a good job making a guy like Rich Gannon an NFL MVP. The experience he has as a head coach in the CFL is good, in that he has experience dealing with the whole package already, rather than just dealing with the offense. Emery made a bold choice, rather than going with a safer, more conservative one. I am intrigued by the selection and look forward to watching the 2013 Bears offense.


No one can answer the question why he kept bouncing around. Everyone claims he was so good at every stop but no one wanted to keep him. No one wanted him but Lovie.



I thought the main reason he left so many NFL teams was that his head coaches were getting canned?

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Can I point out that potential Coach of the Year Bruce Arians will win the award by going 9-3 with 8 wins against team with losing records and a win in his first week against Green Bay.

So, I give a big ol' shoulder shrug to all of these guys. Trestman? Sure, try it. Whatever. You fired Lovie so...here we go.

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