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I don't think Cutler gets that much on the open market. He's not a spring chicken, and his career numbers are average. Add in his reputation as a bitch, and you've got yourself a journeyman going forward.


I agree he shouldn't get big money on the market. At this point, I see him as a Matt Hasselback or Jack Delhomme type of QB-journeyman. He's just good enough to give him your starting job without competition, but signing him doesn't mean you pause your search for THE starting QB for your franchise.

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He'll get big money. For as many flaws as Cutler has, sometimes I think people don't look around. There are some much much worse QBs starting in the NFL. Many on teams that can compete.


And that's the reason the Bears will pay him. The alternatives will be SUCH a drop off from Cutler. They won't be bad enough to draft a good QB and Jay will be by far the best available.

If you go with an alternative to Jay... along with the declining defense... the Bears won't be competing for much at all. It'll be a full blown rebuild. That could be the way to get your high draft pick QB, but even then, we could talk about all the high draft pick QBs that are much much worse than Jay.


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I don't think Cutler gets that much on the open market. He's not a spring chicken, and his career numbers are average. Add in his reputation as a bitch, and you've got yourself a journeyman going forward.
You just need one team who thinks they are ready to compete now but are missing the QB. Cutler is significantly better than any other free agent QB available unless something crazy happens. All it takes is Philadelphia or Tampa to make a desperation offer.

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Even so, he was worth trading to acquire a better QB. Now it's difficult to discuss the two picks without falling into hindsight bias, but for me throwing in Orton to acquire Cutler in 2009 was a no brainer.


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C'mon your guys at FO had Orton 22 and Cutler 4 in their precious Dusty DVORacek ratings the year before the trade. Orton was barely starting caliber and Cutler was top 5.


I didn't say he was a good QB. I said he was a starting QB and that we shouldn't make a wanking motion when that particular part of the trade is mentioned.

The guy that got benched for Tim Tebow?


You're right. The first-rounders don't matter either, since Angelo would have blown them anyway. When you think about it, the Bears got Cutler for nothing.

Don't forget we got Johnny Knox too!


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And that's the reason the Bears will pay him. The alternatives will be SUCH a drop off from Cutler. They won't be bad enough to draft a good QB and Jay will be by far the best available.
Do yourself a favor and turn on NBC right now. Where were the two QB's there drafted? You don't need the #1 pick especially this year.
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If you go with an alternative to Jay... along with the declining defense... the Bears won't be competing for much at all. It'll be a full blown rebuild. That could be the way to get your high draft pick QB, but even then, we could talk about all the high draft pick QBs that are much much worse than Jay.
A full blown rebuild is probably needed.

The question with Jay is not "Is he better than the other free agents" but "Do you want to have Jay Cutler as your QB for the next 5 years?". You have to think long term, especially with a new coach and a relatively new GM.

The Bears are the dumbest organization in the league if they give Jay Cutler $90 million because they don't have the #1 pick in the draft.

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He'll get big money. For as many flaws as Cutler has, sometimes I think people don't look around. There are some much much worse QBs starting in the NFL. Many on teams that can compete.


And that's the reason the Bears will pay him. The alternatives will be SUCH a drop off from Cutler. They won't be bad enough to draft a good QB and Jay will be by far the best available.

If you go with an alternative to Jay... along with the declining defense... the Bears won't be competing for much at all. It'll be a full blown rebuild. That could be the way to get your high draft pick QB, but even then, we could talk about all the high draft pick QBs that are much much worse than Jay.


If you overpay Cutler with a declining defense you are fucked. Better spend the money on defense and find a coachable alternative. Cutler isn't worth $15-20M. Especially considering he is an older top 20-25 QB.

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Schaub is about to get run out of town, and some wanted to do the same to Kaep after the first two games!


QBs that hit in the late rounds are such an exception. You can't plan on that. If you try and miss, you're setting the organization back a long long time.


Here is what I know for sure: If the Bears take Cutler for the next 5 years, they would be significantly better off than if they fail on drafting a good QB after this season. Which to me, ifs a very very real possibility... whether the pick is an early one, or a late one.


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Schaub is about to get run out of town, and some wanted to do the same to Kaep after the first two games!


QBs that hit in the late rounds are such an exception. You can't plan on that. If you try and miss, you're setting the organization back a long long time.


Here is what I know for sure: If the Bears take Cutler for the next 5 years, they would be significantly better off than if they fail on drafting a good QB after this season. Which to me, ifs a very very real possibility... whether the pick is an early one, or a late one.


Not if Cutler gets $15-20M a year. Finding a serviceable QB isn't hard. That's what Cutler is.

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He'll get big money. For as many flaws as Cutler has, sometimes I think people don't look around. There are some much much worse QBs starting in the NFL. Many on teams that can compete.


And that's the reason the Bears will pay him. The alternatives will be SUCH a drop off from Cutler. They won't be bad enough to draft a good QB and Jay will be by far the best available.

If you go with an alternative to Jay... along with the declining defense... the Bears won't be competing for much at all. It'll be a full blown rebuild. That could be the way to get your high draft pick QB, but even then, we could talk about all the high draft pick QBs that are much much worse than Jay.


If you overpay Cutler with a declining defense you are fucked. Better spend the money on defense and find a coachable alternative. Cutler isn't worth $15-20M. Especially considering he is an older top 20-25 QB.


I don't think that is Emery's MO. Hiring Trestman was an obvious sign that the team wants to become more offensively focused.


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Finding a serviceable QB isn't hard.



Is this your first season as a Bears fan?


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the Bears got Cutler for nothing.

And the picks for free.

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Schaub is about to get run out of town, and some wanted to do the same to Kaep after the first two games!
Come back to reality. Kaep and Schaub are fine. I believe you have argued before that fans are idiots. Don't cite them now.
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QBs that hit in the late rounds are such an exception. You can't plan on that. If you try and miss, you're setting the organization back a long long time.
Late rounds? The Bears have early round picks too.
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Here is what I know for sure: If the Bears take Cutler for the next 5 years, they would be significantly better off than if they fail on drafting a good QB after this season. Which to me, ifs a very very real possibility... whether the pick is an early one, or a late one.
Let's give Cutler a 12 year deal then. His replacement may be worse! In fact, let's give everyone on the team 12 year deals! Don't even make draft picks! The replacement may be worse.

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Schaub is about to get run out of town, and some wanted to do the same to Kaep after the first two games!
Come back to reality. Kaep and Schaub are fine. I believe you have argued before that fans are idiots. Don't cite them now.
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QBs that hit in the late rounds are such an exception. You can't plan on that. If you try and miss, you're setting the organization back a long long time.
Late rounds? The Bears have early round picks too.
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Here is what I know for sure: If the Bears take Cutler for the next 5 years, they would be significantly better off than if they fail on drafting a good QB after this season. Which to me, ifs a very very real possibility... whether the pick is an early one, or a late one.
Let's give Cutler a 12 year deal then. His replacement may be worse! In fact, let's give everyone on the team 12 year deals! Don't even make draft picks! The replacement may be worse.


Coming in to today, Cutler had significantly better numbers than Kaep, and about even with Schaub. I guess he'll be fine. (Another Schaub pick, too)


The Bears do have early picks. My point is that even early pick QBs are faaaaar from a guarantee.


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Trestman is a qb guru. Emery should be banking on him being able to develop a cheap qb so he can build the rest of the team. The next Russell Wilson is what they want. Get ready for the Jordan Lynch show!!!

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I hate to sound like the 5'8" wonder, but is the goal to tread water or to win a Super Bowl? I'm convinced Cutler is incapable of the latter.

If we just want the Bears to be decent and compete against average teams, then by all means, let's re-sign Cutler and hire jimmypasta to GM the Cubs.

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I hate to sound like the 5'8" wonder, but is the goal to tread water or to win a Super Bowl? I'm convinced Cutler is incapable of the latter.

If we just want the Bears to be decent and compete against average teams, then by all means, let's re-sign Cutler and hire jimmypasta to GM the Cubs.


Plenty of non-elite QBs have won a Super Bowl.


If you were in charge, who is the Bears QB next year?


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Finding a serviceable QB isn't hard.



Is this your first season as a Bears fan?


This isn't your fathers NFL or even your early 20's NFL. There are a lot of serviceable QB's in the league. Alex Smith doesn't have Cutler's talent but very rarely does he hurt your team and he doesn't make $15-20M.

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I hate to sound like the 5'8" wonder, but is the goal to tread water or to win a Super Bowl? I'm convinced Cutler is incapable of the latter.

If we just want the Bears to be decent and compete against average teams, then by all means, let's re-sign Cutler and hire jimmypasta to GM the Cubs.


Plenty of non-elite QBs have won a Super Bowl.


If you were in charge, who is the Bears QB next year?

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And that's the reason the Bears will pay him. The alternatives will be SUCH a drop off from Cutler. They won't be bad enough to draft a good QB and Jay will be by far the best available.
Do yourself a favor and turn on NBC right now. Where were the two QB's there drafted? You don't need the #1 pick especially this year.
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If you go with an alternative to Jay... along with the declining defense... the Bears won't be competing for much at all. It'll be a full blown rebuild. That could be the way to get your high draft pick QB, but even then, we could talk about all the high draft pick QBs that are much much worse than Jay.
A full blown rebuild is probably needed.

The question with Jay is not "Is he better than the other free agents" but "Do you want to have Jay Cutler as your QB for the next 5 years?". You have to think long term, especially with a new coach and a relatively new GM.

The Bears are the dumbest organization in the league if they give Jay Cutler $90 million because they don't have the #1 pick in the draft.


They've just re-tooled the entire offense, and the skill position players look like they make a promising core. I can see a rebuild on defense, obviously, but not sure why you'd blow up the offense (as opposed to adding to it).

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If he wasn't so injury prone Stephen Morris could be a good NFL qb.

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Coming in to today, Cutler had significantly better numbers than Kaep, and about even with Schaub. I guess he'll be fine. (Another Schaub pick, too)
Seriously? Schaub is at another level, even with a rough start. Kaep almost won the Super Bowl last year and is in his second year of starting.
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The Bears do have early picks. My point is that even early pick QBs are faaaaar from a guarantee.
So, why ever replace anyone?

Let's roll and hope a young QB develops into a top 5 instead of paying double or triple to watch a veteran hover around the middle of the league.

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I hate to sound like the 5'8" wonder, but is the goal to tread water or to win a Super Bowl? I'm convinced Cutler is incapable of the latter.

If we just want the Bears to be decent and compete against average teams, then by all means, let's re-sign Cutler and hire jimmypasta to GM the Cubs.


Agreed. Cutler was supposed to give a great defense a boost but instead he was turnover prone and now they are old and average.

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Throw Cutler to the free agency wolves and trade Washington draft picks for Cousins.

Ravens are screwed for a few seasons due to Flacco's contract.


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Finding a serviceable QB isn't hard.



Is this your first season as a Bears fan?


This isn't your fathers NFL or even your early 20's NFL. There are a lot of serviceable QB's in the league. Alex Smith doesn't have Cutler's talent but very rarely does he hurt your team and he doesn't make $15-20M.


He's making $9MM right now. He'll make a helluva lot more if he keeps playing like this and he hits the market after his deal is done.


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Nas wrote:
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Finding a serviceable QB isn't hard.



Is this your first season as a Bears fan?


This isn't your fathers NFL or even your early 20's NFL. There are a lot of serviceable QB's in the league. Alex Smith doesn't have Cutler's talent but very rarely does he hurt your team and he doesn't make $15-20M.


He's making $9MM right now. He'll make a helluva lot more if he keeps playing like this and he hits the market after his deal is done.


I could take Cutler at that number.

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He is the starting pitcher with all the talent in the world in his pitching arm but just can't get that 15+ win season because he has a horrible inning every couple of games.

The window for the Bears is probably closed for a few years anyways given the age of the defense. If Emery does get this team built to be a serious contender for a Super Bowl, I don't want Cutler screwing it up. Let him walk. Its the same risk to pay him a ton of cash as it is to go after a QB in the draft.

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He is the starting pitcher with all the talent in the world in his pitching arm but just can't get that 15+ win season because he has a horrible inning every couple of games.

The window for the Bears is probably closed for a few years anyways given the age of the defense. If Emery does get this team built to be a serious contender for a Super Bowl, I don't want Cutler screwing it up. Let him walk. Its the same risk to pay him a ton of cash as it is to go after a QB in the draft.


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He is the starting pitcher with all the talent in the world in his pitching arm but just can't get that 15+ win season because he has a horrible inning every couple of games.

The window for the Bears is probably closed for a few years anyways given the age of the defense. If Emery does get this team built to be a serious contender for a Super Bowl, I don't want Cutler screwing it up. Let him walk. Its the same risk to pay him a ton of cash as it is to go after a QB in the draft.

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He is the starting pitcher with all the talent in the world in his pitching arm but just can't get that 15+ win season because he has a horrible inning every couple of games.

The window for the Bears is probably closed for a few years anyways given the age of the defense. If Emery does get this team built to be a serious contender for a Super Bowl, I don't want Cutler screwing it up. Let him walk. Its the same risk to pay him a ton of cash as it is to go after a QB in the draft.


I disagree that the risk is the same. Drafted QBs can be all out busts. You know exactly what Cutler is. He'll never be as bad as some of the recent busts who are out of the league.


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He is the starting pitcher with all the talent in the world in his pitching arm but just can't get that 15+ win season because he has a horrible inning every couple of games.

The window for the Bears is probably closed for a few years anyways given the age of the defense. If Emery does get this team built to be a serious contender for a Super Bowl, I don't want Cutler screwing it up. Let him walk. Its the same risk to pay him a ton of cash as it is to go after a QB in the draft.


If you let him walk, the next QB, whether it's a FA acquisition or rookie, better be ready to win next year. The offense is not young enough to wait a few years for Emery to land the perfect QB.

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