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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:27 am 
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Regardless of his stats (which are thoroughly mediocre), he can't stay healthy. This is a negligent contract, which I should have expected from the Bears.


His health is (or should have been) a major concern. Especially since concussions are a part of the equation with him.


Started 104 games, out 12.


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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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Per @alexmarvez, Cutler extension averages $18M in the first 3 years. That suggests a guarantee in the $50M-$55M range, which sounds right.


Big mistake.

He is not worth that kind of cash. This hamstrings the franchise moving forward. Stupid. They should have resigned McCown and drafted/signed someone tailor made for Trestman's system and then spent the cash on the defense.

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This is an outrage! What in the hell has he ever proven in his career!? This is negligent and reckless. One playoff win. ONE. He is 30 years old. Unreal.


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This is an outrage! What in the hell has he ever proven in his career!? This is negligent and reckless. One playoff win. ONE. He is 30 years old. Unreal.


1 year would have been fine or I would have offerred him 3 years at 30 mil,not a penny more.

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Started 104 games, out 12.



All 12 missed games have been in the last few seasons with the Bear.


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I'm just fine with this deal as long as Trestman is the guy who wants Cutler. If he feels he can win with Cutler as his QB, then we have no choice but to trust him.

If Trestman was not 100% sold on Cutler and was told he had to take him as his QB, then that is a real issue and likely will be going forward.

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So, if the tweet is accurate, his cap figure for next year basically equals what the franchise tag would have, except they're also committed for another 6 years, correct?

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Regardless of his stats (which are thoroughly mediocre), he can't stay healthy. This is a negligent contract, which I should have expected from the Bears.


His health is (or should have been) a major concern. Especially since concussions are a part of the equation with him.


Started 104 games, out 12.


What is the percentage over the past 3/4 years? That is a more likely indicator of what to expect going forward. As the years go by, injuries become more frequent and the body's ability to heal itself slows.

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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So, if the tweet is accurate, his cap figure for next year basically equals what the franchise tag would have, except they're also committed for another 6 years, correct?



Which makes it crazy.

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i think chicago needs a 2nd nfl team...

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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I saw a piece on cutler the other day. I think it was jaws so take that for what it's worth. He was saying in real time jay has looked really good at times this year but when you get to the film room he is ignoring the progression and going where he wants wi the ball even though there were open reads to other players not named Marshall or Jeffrey. I have no idea how he knows what the correct read is but if he is correct you would have to assume trestman is a little pissed or at least concerned about it.

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now emery is vehimatently defending shane mclellin.

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Bears are 39-28 when Cutler starts.

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i think chicago needs a 2nd nfl team...


The Oakland Raiders were orginally set up for Chicago back when the AFL was starting up.

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now emery is vehimatently defending shane mclellin.


Yea, after he ripped him to shreds and says he won't be a DE anymore.


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Forte is nearing 30 and is likely to start shutting down soon, Steve.


I expect Forte to lose a step next season.

Well hopefully it'll be the step that gets him arm tackled all the time.

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Bears are 39-28 when Cutler starts.


The Bears are 1 for 5 years as far as playoff years during his tenure

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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now emery is vehimatently defending shane mclellin.


Yea, after he ripped him to shreds and says he won't be a DE anymore.


Are they going 3-4? He can't possibly make him a 4-3 olb.

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I'm just fine with this deal as long as Trestman is the guy who wants Cutler. If he feels he can win with Cutler as his QB, then we have no choice but to trust him.




What??? We have watched Cutler long enough to judge him. Judge his mechanics, judge his decision making. Whether Trestman feels he can win with him or not has little bearing on my judgement.

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now emery is vehimatently defending shane mclellin.


Yea, after he ripped him to shreds and says he won't be a DE anymore.


Are they going 3-4? He can't possibly make him a 4-3 olb.


Trest said it was "on the table." He did mention the SAM position, though.


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Bears are 39-28 when Cutler starts.

He is a bum slayer.


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cant watch the bulls, cant stand the bears, cant get away from baseball... fuck sports :(

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All I have to say,that's a lot of money for a guy that has won one playoff game in 5 years.


I agree. He's the only person responsible for whether the teams wins or loses. The performance of anyone else on either side of the ball has nothing to do with it.


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All I have to say,that's a lot of money for a guy that has won one playoff game in 5 years.


I agree. He's the only person responsible for whether the teams wins or loses. The performance of anyone else on either side of the ball has nothing to do with it.
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I saw a piece on cutler the other day. I think it was jaws so take that for what it's worth. He was saying in real time jay has looked really good at times this year but when you get to the film room he is ignoring the progression and going where he wants wi the ball even though there were open reads to other players not named Marshall or Jeffrey. I have no idea how he knows what the correct read is but if he is correct you would have to assume trestman is a little pissed or at least concerned about it.

Martellus was targeted 2 times and caught 1 against Green Bay. I'm sure it was because he wasn't open though.

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Regardless of his stats (which are thoroughly mediocre), he can't stay healthy. This is a negligent contract, which I should have expected from the Bears.


His health is (or should have been) a major concern. Especially since concussions are a part of the equation with him.


Started 104 games, out 12.


He has missed 12 games in the past 3 seasons. That means he missed 25% of the games over the past 3 years and as a player ages, the injuries tend to occur more regularly. Also, as a guy who has had issues with concussions, the risk for further issues with concussions, only increases with each one. They should have used the franchise tag.

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 Post subject: Re: 7 yr deal for Cutler
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All I have to say,that's a lot of money for a guy that has won one playoff game in 5 years.


I agree. He's the only person responsible for whether the teams wins or loses. The performance of anyone else on either side of the ball has nothing to do with it.


Tell it to fans of Tom Brady,Aaron Rodgers,Terry Bradshaw,Roger Staubach....the list goes on & on. Cutler does not raise the play of those around him. Let me know the next time you see him hit somebody in stride.

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It's very rare that a QB peaks AFTER the 8th year of their career.


On the other hand, one of the rare cases happened with Trestee.


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