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That guy is on Parkins and Spiegs and sounds like he's full of shit

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That guy is on Parkins and Spiegs and sounds like he's full of shit

Mannelly?


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Well, I guess his leader/successful salesman label expires if this report is true.

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I stand by my comments that he is a good head coach based on the fact that the team is always behind him and they haven't quit. That's tough to do. Especially when you have losing streaks. I've said for over 3 years that Nagy sucks calling plays and that he was a bigger problem than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


I think this is contradictory - a HC is usually a subject matter expert at either offense or defense and hires coordinators to execute his vision for both sides of the ball. He's responsible for the performance of those coordinators and then is also responsible, like you said, for building the morale of the team and holding everything together by demonstrating advanced leadership skills. So that's two things at least - performance and morale.

I agree with you on morale. It looks like we also agree on performance (it sucks). But where we differ is you have assigned more weight to morale when it should be equal with performance. We could hire Dave Chappelle to be HC and I'm sure the guys would like him but the performance would suck. Similarly we could have some AI-infused bot call plays and I'm sure the offense would look better but the bot would suck at building morale. It has to be both. That's why Trestman sucked, he was technically competent at X's and O's but a terrible leader of men. Lovie excelled at technical competence and leadership. Nagy is incompetent when it comes to 50% of his responsibiliities. Therefore, he must go.


I guess I should have said Nagy is a good leader of men. I viewed his role as similar to the one Fox played and Harbaugh plays now. Hire competent coordinators and get out of the way. His inability to give up his dream to be a play caller has really hurt the team.


The fact that the team hasn't openly revolted against Nagy hardly makes him a good leader. His teams are sloppy, undisciplined and intermittently lackadaisical. This suggests that he has preempted mutiny by being easy to get along with and "sympathetic" to his players. He is not a leader; he is a salesman.


That's fair, but I think being an effective salesperson is a requirement for most leaders.

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Well, I guess his leader/successful salesman label expires if this report is true.


Sounds like he's lost Allen Robinson.

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Well, I guess his leader/successful salesman label expires if this report is true.
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I stand by my comments that he is a good head coach based on the fact that the team is always behind him and they haven't quit. That's tough to do. Especially when you have losing streaks. I've said for over 3 years that Nagy sucks calling plays and that he was a bigger problem than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


I think this is contradictory - a HC is usually a subject matter expert at either offense or defense and hires coordinators to execute his vision for both sides of the ball. He's responsible for the performance of those coordinators and then is also responsible, like you said, for building the morale of the team and holding everything together by demonstrating advanced leadership skills. So that's two things at least - performance and morale.

I agree with you on morale. It looks like we also agree on performance (it sucks). But where we differ is you have assigned more weight to morale when it should be equal with performance. We could hire Dave Chappelle to be HC and I'm sure the guys would like him but the performance would suck. Similarly we could have some AI-infused bot call plays and I'm sure the offense would look better but the bot would suck at building morale. It has to be both. That's why Trestman sucked, he was technically competent at X's and O's but a terrible leader of men. Lovie excelled at technical competence and leadership. Nagy is incompetent when it comes to 50% of his responsibiliities. Therefore, he must go.


I guess I should have said Nagy is a good leader of men. I viewed his role as similar to the one Fox played and Harbaugh plays now. Hire competent coordinators and get out of the way. His inability to give up his dream to be a play caller has really hurt the team.


The fact that the team hasn't openly revolted against Nagy hardly makes him a good leader. His teams are sloppy, undisciplined and intermittently lackadaisical. This suggests that he has preempted mutiny by being easy to get along with and "sympathetic" to his players. He is not a leader; he is a salesman.


That's fair, but I think being an effective salesperson is a requirement for most leaders.


Typically, leaders rally their team members via credibility, charisma or, most frequently, via some combination thereof.

Nagy has gotten his team to be docile by being lax and accepting. He is football multiculturalism.

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That guy is on Parkins and Spiegs and sounds like he's full of shit

Mannelly?


Jordan Schultz

Must have been after I tuned out. What was he saying?

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That guy is on Parkins and Spiegs and sounds like he's full of shit

Mannelly?


Jordan Schultz

Must have been after I tuned out. What was he saying?

(paraphrasing)..."according to multiple sources, most of the locker room wants Nagy gone". Apparently he has a relationship with ARob so P&S implied he must be the source to which he sort of hemmed and hawed before saying he couldn't say who his source was.

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Report: “Overwhelming” amount of Chicago Bears players are ready for Matt Nagy to be fired
BEARS, FEATURED / By Ned F / November 22, 2021

The Chicago Bears found a new low in Sunday’s 16-13 loss to the Baltimore Ravens and backup quarterback Tyler Huntley. With a five-game losing streak and a 3-7 record heading into a short week at Detroit, head coach Matt Nagy’s hot seat is the warmest it’s ever been and some believe his time has run up.

And now on Monday, a new report suggests that an “overwhelming” amount of Bears players are fed up and are ready for Nagy to be fired as Jordan Schultz tweeted out:

Somethings to note. Schultz has a podcast with Bears wide receiver Allen Robinson which is a big clue as to what is going on behind the scenes at Halas Hall right now. It certainly feels like Robinson is someone who is telling Schultz this or perhaps he’s hearing it from more than one player.

Nagy has controlled and earned the respect of the locker room during his time here despite some rough times. But that appears to have faded and with the franchise facing another losing streak and no playoffs this year, others are frustrated as well. The head coach is 31-27 in his four years with the franchise which got off to a good start, going 12-4 and winning the NFC North in 2018. But since then Nagy’s team has faltered and have been one of the worst offensive units in all of football from 2019-21. This year they are near the bottom in a lot of key stats on offense and things have spiraled.

But will Bears brass see it that way? Stay tuned.

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Well, I guess his leader/successful salesman label expires if this report is true.

I could be wrong cuz I can't remember the specific example or examples to make me think this, but iirc that Jordan Schultz guy is full of shit often and has missed multiple times before.

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So he has a lot in common with your guy Mitch then

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So he has a lot in common with your guy Mitch then

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Well, I guess his leader/successful salesman label expires if this report is true.


Sounds like he's lost Allen Robinson.


To be fair, I’m sure ARob was probably already in a bad mood this season with THE TAG.


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They havent targetted Arob all year, they probably cost him 30 million on this next contract. His season will finish with a terrible year statistically.

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They havent targetted Arob all year, they probably cost him 30 million on this next contract. His season will finish with a terrible year statistically.


Instead of his agent trying to spread bullshit stories with every member of the media, he should have told his client to accept the offer. A Rob isn't an elite WR and Pace was right for not paying him like he was one.

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When I think of all the problems with the Bears roster and organization, the first thing that comes to mind is Allen Robinson.

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Stop bumping this thread until they actually fire him.

Or name it something else. My nerves can't take it.

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Stop bumping this thread until they actually fire him.

Or name it something else. My nerves can't take it.


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Stop bumping this thread until they actually fire him.

Or name it something else. My nerves can't take it.


It's a done deal, Doc. Just a matter of when.


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That bullshit Schultz tweet is serving its purpose. Folks are writing articles about his tweet and including his name in the story. Congrats to him and Brandon Parker for effectively playing the media.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
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Stop bumping this thread until they actually fire him.

Or name it something else. My nerves can't take it.


It's a done deal, Doc. Just a matter of when.


I know. I can't stand the disappointment when I click on it.


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Regardless of whether or not Shultz’s comments on the topic are legit.. it wouldn’t be shocking after years of underwhelming performances if it finally caught up with Nagy in the locker room. The dude isn’t exactly breaking any actual news or coming to some shocking revelation in speculating something along these lines. I feel like this is a ‘slow week’ type of story because it shouldn’t shock anyone if it starts to happen.


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Btw.. what would shock me is if the front office/ownership fired him during the season. It wouldn’t shock me in the sense that I didn’t see a firing coming, but it would shock me that they did it during the season which is something I don’t think the McCaskeys would do.



I think we have the rest of the season ahead of us to watch this shit show unfold.

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Agreed. "Losing the locker room" would not be a surprise at this point. It's a train wreck.


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I think we have the rest of the season ahead of us to watch this shit show unfold.


It will be glorious. Bears implosion is great viewing.


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I think we have the rest of the season ahead of us to watch this shit show unfold.
Rest of the season? We have less than 72 hours my friend. The Lions are going to steamroll this team Thursday.

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I think we have the rest of the season ahead of us to watch this shit show unfold.
Rest of the season? We have less than 72 hours my friend. The Lions are going to steamroll this team Thursday.


They should smoke them or deep-fry them.

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