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I'm not really sure what to feel about what I just watched.


I don’t know son. I just don’t know.

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I'm not really sure what to feel about what I just watched.


Bagent looked better until the pick.

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Last season, I heard a few times that Fields needs to warm up his footing because he tends to be off at the beginning of the game. Apparently running a few times helps to get him focused. I'm really hoping that its pre-season so he might not be as focused as if it was regular season. That said, he didn't look good and he can't blame the OL.

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He clearly threw two passes to the front shoulder that were incomplete and could have been picked. Had he thrown back shoulder, both would have been complete and one a touchdown. One pass to a back seem to be too hard and need some touch. He should be making those throws by now.


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Bills are one of the better teams in the league with a top level QB and offense, so expected the Bears first string D to struggle and it did.

Fields looked disinterested at best, he appeared very happy to leave the game midway through a drive, not really a great showing from your QB1.

Starting DT's continue to get blown off the ball, the three techs got bitch slapped a few times, they did cover two gaps because the center turned them and washed them down the line several times. This continues to be a glaring weakness on this team and will cause them to lose games until it is fixed. Expect the Packers to pound the ball early and often in week one.

Edmunds spent more time on his hair, shoes, and sleeves than he did playing in the game, he better go to Play It Again Sports and buy a bunch of extra arm pads because he is gonna have to make a ton of tackles behind this defensive line.

They went right after Stevenson, the league already knows he is overly aggressive and will try to jump routes, expect him to have a target on his back until he proves himself.

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I'm not really sure what to feel about what I just watched.


Bagent looked better until the pick.


Wonder if that was a QB or WR mistake?

He was on target with his throws, the TE dropping the TD pass was infuriating because it was a great read and accurate enough where it should have been caught. He takes the checkdowns that Fields refuses to take, puts the ball in the hands of the receiver and gives them a chance to make a play, it would be interesting to see him out there with the one's and you likely will see that this season as it is highly likely Fields will miss at least some time this season.


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Bears showcasing Bagent for an upcoming trade.


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Is it possible for another team to grab Bagent before he gets put on the practice squad? With the number of injuries, I would be surprised that the Bears keep 3 QBs and you know there was no competition with the money given out.

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isn't there a 24 hour waiver period after the final 53's announced? Teams could claim Bagent off of there if he's not on the 53 man. If he clears waivers, Bears can put him on the practice squad.


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Don't think he gets to the practice squad.


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isn't there a 24 hour waiver period after the final 53's announced? Teams could claim Bagent off of there if he's not on the 53 man. If he clears waivers, Bears can put him on the practice squad.


I assumed there was but didn't know. Honestly, with this league, I wouldn't be surprised if someone took a chance on him if it costs a team nothing. What's the worst that can happen? Fields ends up being a bust and Poles ends up missing on both Bryce Young and Bagent?

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Don't think he gets to the practice squad.


Even with all the injuries? Maybe most of these guys heal in the next two weeks or the injuries really aren't that bad, but I was thinking they would have to at least carry extra OL. Seems like Kramer (Kremer?) also got hurt today.

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Everyone’s favorite player is always the backup QB.


If your team sucks, yeah. But even in Chicago aside from mccown (and Foles for like a week) I can't recall excitement for the backup even when the starter sucked. Chicago takes qb suckage seriously.

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Fields still can't throw. Nothing's changed.


He's making quicker decisions.


I do agree with that. But the throws are off. It's like he lost his touch. Weird. He does seem to have more arm strength. Its like when I weight lift a lot and then can't hit any shots in basketball because I have horsecock


His arm strength didn't look great to me. Part of the problem stems from the fact that he frequently fails to throw tight spirals, so his balls don't cut through the wind that well on gusty days like today.

As Nas mentioned, he's getting the ball out quicker, but that's not necessarily a good thing if he's throwing so inaccurately, as he was today.

On a separate note, the Bills had no trouble moving the ball on the Bears even with Kyle Allen at QB. This defense is putrid, and the fact that the Bears offense has been absolutely dominated by them in training camp should be alarming to the team's coaches and fans alike.

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Teven Jenkins has his right foot in a walking boot.

Doug Kramer may have a broken hand.

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Fields still can't throw. Nothing's changed.


He's making quicker decisions.


I do agree with that. But the throws are off. It's like he lost his touch. Weird. He does seem to have more arm strength. Its like when I weight lift a lot and then can't hit any shots in basketball because I have horsecock


His arm strength didn't look great to me. Part of the problem stems from the fact that he frequently fails to throw tight spirals, so his balls don't cut through the wind that well on gusty days like today.

As Nas mentioned, he's getting the ball out quicker, but that's not necessarily a good thing if he's throwing so inaccurately, as he was today.

On a separate note, the Bills had no trouble moving the ball on the Bears even with Kyle Allen at QB. This defense is putrid, and the fact that the Bears offense has been absolutely dominated by them in training camp should be alarming to the team's coaches and fans alike.


It amazes me that more of the Bears beat reporters and analysts don't make this a key point in every opinion on the offense. DJ Moore is essentially the lipstick on the pig.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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Fields still can't throw. Nothing's changed.


He's making quicker decisions.


I do agree with that. But the throws are off. It's like he lost his touch. Weird. He does seem to have more arm strength. Its like when I weight lift a lot and then can't hit any shots in basketball because I have horsecock


His arm strength didn't look great to me. Part of the problem stems from the fact that he frequently fails to throw tight spirals, so his balls don't cut through the wind that well on gusty days like today.

As Nas mentioned, he's getting the ball out quicker, but that's not necessarily a good thing if he's throwing so inaccurately, as he was today.

On a separate note, the Bills had no trouble moving the ball on the Bears even with Kyle Allen at QB. This defense is putrid, and the fact that the Bears offense has been absolutely dominated by them in training camp should be alarming to the team's coaches and fans alike.


He appears to have won the backup QB spot, not sure if anyone thinks he will be a Pro Bowler, but PJ Walker's poor play opened up the door and Bagent took advantage of the opportunity.


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Really not sure what they see in Billings and Jones, but when you go on the cheap at DT you get two guys starting that would be backups at best on most teams. Billings is supposed to be solid against the run, but he was blown up several times, would almost rather start one of the rooks if that is all your going to get out of Billings. Jones was not good last year and looks overmatched against solid guards and centers.

Would be watching the cut list as you could significantly upgrade your interior line with just average players at this point.

Pickens and Dexter at least flash some ability from time to time, expect them to rotate in early and often this season and they are going to be forced to live with the growing pains and Poles will have to pray that at least one of them shows like he will develop into a solid NFL player because you've got nothing at that position.


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Really not sure what they see in Billings and Jones, but when you go on the cheap at DT you get two guys starting that would be backups at best on most teams. Billings is supposed to be solid against the run, but he was blown up several times, would almost rather start one of the rooks if that is all your going to get out of Billings. Jones was not good last year and looks overmatched against solid guards and centers.

Would be watching the cut list as you could significantly upgrade your interior line with just average players at this point.

Pickens and Dexter at least flash some ability from time to time, expect them to rotate in early and often this season and they are going to be forced to live with the growing pains and Poles will have to pray that at least one of them shows like he will develop into a solid NFL player because you've got nothing at that position.


Dexter doesn't look that good to me. His coaches and teammates talk him up, but there's no reason to believe anything they say. He wasn't that good in college and hasn't done anything to impress so far.

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Really not sure what they see in Billings and Jones, but when you go on the cheap at DT you get two guys starting that would be backups at best on most teams. Billings is supposed to be solid against the run, but he was blown up several times, would almost rather start one of the rooks if that is all your going to get out of Billings. Jones was not good last year and looks overmatched against solid guards and centers.

Would be watching the cut list as you could significantly upgrade your interior line with just average players at this point.

Pickens and Dexter at least flash some ability from time to time, expect them to rotate in early and often this season and they are going to be forced to live with the growing pains and Poles will have to pray that at least one of them shows like he will develop into a solid NFL player because you've got nothing at that position.


Dexter doesn't look that good to me. His coaches and teammates talk him up, but there's no reason to believe anything they say. He wasn't that good in college and hasn't done anything to impress so far.



He looks really strong. If I'm not mistaken, his pressure and push led to Stevenson's interception.

Speaking of Stevenson, he's going to make some awful mistakes.

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Really not sure what they see in Billings and Jones, but when you go on the cheap at DT you get two guys starting that would be backups at best on most teams. Billings is supposed to be solid against the run, but he was blown up several times, would almost rather start one of the rooks if that is all your going to get out of Billings. Jones was not good last year and looks overmatched against solid guards and centers.

Would be watching the cut list as you could significantly upgrade your interior line with just average players at this point.

Pickens and Dexter at least flash some ability from time to time, expect them to rotate in early and often this season and they are going to be forced to live with the growing pains and Poles will have to pray that at least one of them shows like he will develop into a solid NFL player because you've got nothing at that position.


Dexter doesn't look that good to me. His coaches and teammates talk him up, but there's no reason to believe anything they say. He wasn't that good in college and hasn't done anything to impress so far.



He looks really strong. If I'm not mistaken, his pressure and push led to Stevenson's interception.

Speaking of Stevenson, he's going to make some awful mistakes.


I hope you're right about Dexter because we have almost nothing else on the DL.

As of right now, it looks like we once again have the worst offensive line, worst defensive line, and worst quarterback in the division. We may also have the worst coaching staff.

Since this is a young team, it will hopefully improve over the course of the season. Given the limitations on practice time and intensity imposed by the CBA, more experienced teams have a distinct advantage in the early part of the season. I expect the Bears to get off to a very rocky start, but if Poles has hit on his draft picks we should see significant improvement by midseason. A lot, of course, depends on Fields. If he's good from the start, that changes everything.

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Really not sure what they see in Billings and Jones, but when you go on the cheap at DT you get two guys starting that would be backups at best on most teams. Billings is supposed to be solid against the run, but he was blown up several times, would almost rather start one of the rooks if that is all your going to get out of Billings. Jones was not good last year and looks overmatched against solid guards and centers.

Would be watching the cut list as you could significantly upgrade your interior line with just average players at this point.

Pickens and Dexter at least flash some ability from time to time, expect them to rotate in early and often this season and they are going to be forced to live with the growing pains and Poles will have to pray that at least one of them shows like he will develop into a solid NFL player because you've got nothing at that position.


Dexter doesn't look that good to me. His coaches and teammates talk him up, but there's no reason to believe anything they say. He wasn't that good in college and hasn't done anything to impress so far.



He looks really strong. If I'm not mistaken, his pressure and push led to Stevenson's interception.

Speaking of Stevenson, he's going to make some awful mistakes.


I hope you're right about Dexter because we have almost nothing else on the DL.

As of right now, it looks like we once again have the worst offensive line, worst defensive line, and worst quarterback in the division. We may also have the worst coaching staff.

Since this is a young team, it will hopefully improve over the course of the season. Given the limitations on practice time and intensity imposed by the CBA, more experienced teams have a distinct advantage in the early part of the season. I expect the Bears to get off to a very rocky start, but if Poles has hit on his draft picks we should see significant improvement by midseason. A lot, of course, depends on Fields. If he's good from the start, that changes everything.


I agree with you.

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It's only preseason, but I can't recall the Bears ever having a DJ Moore. I don't want to waste him, and I want to lock him up long-term.

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Did not understand why they did not draft or sign another center, seemed shortsighted at the time and will force them to pick up whatever is left on the scrap heap and possibly have to play that guy right away.

The DB group looks to be the one with the most potential upside, but that group is gonna have to make a lot of tackles playing behind this defensive line, so it's a good thing you have depth as you're going to need it early and often.

Edmunds is going to have a hard time keeping his sleeves and hair in place because he's gonna have a steady stream of untouched running backs coming at him all day long playing behind these DT's.

Do not get the feeling that ownership is expecting much out of this season and they must have given Poles and Eberflus the green light to do a 3-4 year rebuild, do not feel any sense of urgency or pressure from the top down.


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isn't there a 24 hour waiver period after the final 53's announced? Teams could claim Bagent off of there if he's not on the 53 man. If he clears waivers, Bears can put him on the practice squad.


I assumed there was but didn't know. Honestly, with this league, I wouldn't be surprised if someone took a chance on him if it costs a team nothing. What's the worst that can happen? Fields ends up being a bust and Poles ends up missing on both Bryce Young and Bagent?


Bryce Young will be a bust.

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Really not sure what they see in Billings and Jones, but when you go on the cheap at DT you get two guys starting that would be backups at best on most teams. Billings is supposed to be solid against the run, but he was blown up several times, would almost rather start one of the rooks if that is all your going to get out of Billings. Jones was not good last year and looks overmatched against solid guards and centers.

Would be watching the cut list as you could significantly upgrade your interior line with just average players at this point.

Pickens and Dexter at least flash some ability from time to time, expect them to rotate in early and often this season and they are going to be forced to live with the growing pains and Poles will have to pray that at least one of them shows like he will develop into a solid NFL player because you've got nothing at that position.


Dexter doesn't look that good to me. His coaches and teammates talk him up, but there's no reason to believe anything they say. He wasn't that good in college and hasn't done anything to impress so far.



He looks really strong. If I'm not mistaken, his pressure and push led to Stevenson's interception.

Speaking of Stevenson, he's going to make some awful mistakes.




This is wonderful.All I need to do is to read, NASty's analysis and take the opposite position :lol: :lol:

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Really not sure what they see in Billings and Jones, but when you go on the cheap at DT you get two guys starting that would be backups at best on most teams. Billings is supposed to be solid against the run, but he was blown up several times, would almost rather start one of the rooks if that is all your going to get out of Billings. Jones was not good last year and looks overmatched against solid guards and centers.

Would be watching the cut list as you could significantly upgrade your interior line with just average players at this point.

Pickens and Dexter at least flash some ability from time to time, expect them to rotate in early and often this season and they are going to be forced to live with the growing pains and Poles will have to pray that at least one of them shows like he will develop into a solid NFL player because you've got nothing at that position.


Dexter doesn't look that good to me. His coaches and teammates talk him up, but there's no reason to believe anything they say. He wasn't that good in college and hasn't done anything to impress so far.



He looks really strong. If I'm not mistaken, his pressure and push led to Stevenson's interception.

Speaking of Stevenson, he's going to make some awful mistakes.


I hope you're right about Dexter because we have almost nothing else on the DL.

As of right now, it looks like we once again have the worst offensive line, worst defensive line, and worst quarterback in the division. We may also have the worst coaching staff.

Since this is a young team, it will hopefully improve over the course of the season. Given the limitations on practice time and intensity imposed by the CBA, more experienced teams have a distinct advantage in the early part of the season. I expect the Bears to get off to a very rocky start, but if Poles has hit on his draft picks we should see significant improvement by midseason. A lot, of course, depends on Fields. If he's good from the start, that changes everything.


I agree with you.


I really don't know how you can watch a team in which you opine that before the season even starts the Bear's have the worst of everything personnel wise. Its really ridiculous.

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