You said Cutler being signed meant you could watch Bears games for the foreseeable future

What did you think of McCown?

I think he did a good job and I hope they resign him.

30 pages??????? COME ON!

1.Who cares what the deal is for the Guaranteed money. You know it is about $50 Mill. Over 3 or 4 years.
2. Lets say it is over 3 years. Which is what I think it is, so about $16.7M a year for 3 years.
3. Lets say year 3 shows up and they want to spend more cap money and they still want Jay. Spread it into year 4...then year 5.
4. Example: With Peppers due a $10.5 million roster bonus for 2011, the Bears restructured the defensive end's contract on Feb. 23 to reduce his salary cap number from $12 million to $4.3 million in anticipation of the cap returning once a new collective bargaining is reached between the NFL and the players union.

Jay will get $50 mill, one way or another. if its over 3 years, or if its Reinsdorf style over 20 years. he will get his money now.

the point being, he is getting big money for 3 years and expect a new deal in 4 years.

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Read the thread!

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not reading 30 pages

Lotsa felixibility in the deal, thats all that matters.

of course at $12M per home in Malibu, the flexibility gets a little stiffer!

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At least read the part where Speegel took a post from Reddit and passed it off as a personal source

That was already addressed. Keep reading.

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His best season was last season. He wasn't great by any means, but if he puts up those numbers, there's no reason for complaint. (edit by "those" I mean the numbers Nas mentioned).


For sure. Clearly, the gamble is that he's very good for more than 3 years. As it stands, they're paying him near-franchise levels for 3 years, guaranteed. Evidently, they're gambling that Jay will be great, and will be a bargain in years 4-7. I'm not thrilled about that gamble, but that's what it is.

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The King's addressed it all, naturally.

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I really don't know Panther? Let's see the Bears want Cutler. They gave him a normal contract that other teams seem to do. A lot of people really piss and moan because they want McCown or Orton. I think that summary works.

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Cutler apologists versus Cutler haters.

Also Matt Spiegel used a hypothetical compensation table someone fabricated off the internet as a trusted source.

What???? A guy who has never had more than 27 TD's is going to have 40? I highly doubt it. In the season he had the 27 TD's he also had 26 INT's. I think it's more likely he will have less than 30 TD's, have an injury or two and throw 15 or more INT's.

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Cutler will make $54 million over the next three years, with a rolling guarantee that starts at $17.5 million upon signing, increases to $38 million on March 14, 2014, moves to $48 million in March 2015, and caps out at $54 million in March 2016.

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This is smart for the Bears. I imagine it will be restructured at some point.


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Jay Cutler's contract carries $22.5 mi salary-cap number for 2014. Contract has no pro-rated bonuses but CHIC can restructure at any time.

Clearly they traded significant flexibility for an early cap hit. Cutler haters should actually rejoice. That is unless you are delusional enough to believe they had any other choice but to resign the guy.

This is the least painful, and most intelligent way to deal with the situation.

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They didn't trade flexibility. This deal basically is just them franchise tagging Cutler for 3 years with a minor savings in terms of payout by giving up the right to move on a year to year basis. Cutler lovers like yourself seem pretty happy too.

I can't complain about the cap hit in year one either because the Bears need to rebuild anyways and next year should be a down year.

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I posted a link from Business Insider last week that explained that. Did anyone really think Matt Spiegel grabbing numbers off Reddit was more credible than Business Insider?

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I do understand this viewpoint. I guess if you think Cutler is good enough that you don't want to replace him in the next three or four years or if you won't be able to even if you try it really makes sense. I just don't think he's shown himself to be good enough for that type of commitment.

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The worst part, regardless of if Cutler was signed for $1 or $126 million is that they are going to half ass a quarterback draft pick and hope they get incredibly lucky with a later round quarterback that becomes something. You just can't justify a 1st or 2nd round pick at quarterback this year. For a fourth round pick, you can only realistically hope he becomes as good as Kyle Orton did. Tom Brady and Tony Romo are so rare it shouldn't even be seriously considered a plan.

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If that article had the part about being able to restructure at any time, I missed it. And I think it was an important topic we haven't discussed. They could restructure it this year, or in season if they get raped by injuries again.

Can't just about any deal be restructured?

He's getting his guaranteed money over these 3 years. I don't know what there would be to restructure. They way this looks is they either redo his deal in year 4 or they let him walk.

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No, not unless they player lets them. There is probably language that gives the club more flexibility than usual. One obvious restructure could be flipping the 2014 and 2016 years if free agency ends up costing them more in this offseason. Or if he's playing well, they could put some guaranteed money in year 4. Lots of options.

Everyone who hates Cutler/wanted McCown or a drafted QB should believe Trestman should be able to pull a serviceable QB out of a later round.


Let's also not forget that you have to be pretty lucky to even get a QB in the first round that's a capable starter.

I don't think you are right. The major difference here is that the signing bonus wasn't up front. It looks like they guaranteed money in years 2 and 3 instead of it. Cutler isn't going to restructure for anything but more money which is what pretty much any player would do. He's not deferring payments or anything like that. At best, this would be the Bears giving him more money in year 4 or 5 with a guarantee, which is normally referred to as an extension, but in this case the Bears have him "under contract" for 7 years so calling it an extension doesn't make sense.

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Is that the plan of the Cutler lovers? They are going to start pretending like the bad quarterback the Bears get in round 5 is what everyone wanted?

No, you still draft a quarterback high. We want a quarterback who is better than Cutler and McCown. The higher rounds offer a much better shot at that.
No.

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Ok

I was kinda on board with McCown and a draft pick, but you seem overly excited by the idea of drafting a QB.

I mean you're acting like they are really missing out on something special in these next couple years. It's always a longshot right?

There is a better chance one of these QB's will become a top 5 player than there is Cutler becoming a top 10 player.

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Come on.

Both are 0.00001

Ouch, considering Cutler started off the first 3 games in the top 5 (3), I don't think that's accurate. But it may be.