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[No Greater Lie Has Ever Been Told. You've just spent 5 hrs arguing to the contrary Hartgrove.

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You're the one who has argued numerous times that Caleb Williams is bad based solely on QBR. But now you're arguing that Malik Willis outperformed Caleb Williams yesterday despite Caleb posting a much better QBR. I'm asking why you changed your tune so suddenly on QBR being an accurate summation of a QB's production?


Caleb Williams outperformed Malik Willis based on things other than QBR.


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It's just one game, Drinky, against Malik Willis. Enjoy the Sophomore Slump.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
[No Greater Lie Has Ever Been Told. You've just spent 5 hrs arguing to the contrary Hartgrove.

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You're the one who has argued numerous times that Caleb Williams is bad based solely on QBR. But now you're arguing that Malik Willis outperformed Caleb Williams yesterday despite Caleb posting a much better QBR. I'm asking why you changed your tune so suddenly on QBR being an accurate summation of a QB's production?


Caleb Williams outperformed Malik Willis based on things other than QBR.


And Malik Willis outperformed Caleb Williams based stats other than QBR as well.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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[No Greater Lie Has Ever Been Told. You've just spent 5 hrs arguing to the contrary Hartgrove.

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You're the one who has argued numerous times that Caleb Williams is bad based solely on QBR. But now you're arguing that Malik Willis outperformed Caleb Williams yesterday despite Caleb posting a much better QBR. I'm asking why you changed your tune so suddenly on QBR being an accurate summation of a QB's production?


Caleb Williams outperformed Malik Willis based on things other than QBR.


And Malik Willis outperformed Caleb Williams based stats other than QBR as well.


Your mom outperformed my top hoe. Dumb ass bitch.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
[No Greater Lie Has Ever Been Told. You've just spent 5 hrs arguing to the contrary Hartgrove.

I'll help you by quoting the rest of my post, maybe try responding to that too:

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You're the one who has argued numerous times that Caleb Williams is bad based solely on QBR. But now you're arguing that Malik Willis outperformed Caleb Williams yesterday despite Caleb posting a much better QBR. I'm asking why you changed your tune so suddenly on QBR being an accurate summation of a QB's production?


Caleb Williams outperformed Malik Willis based on things other than QBR.


And Malik Willis outperformed Caleb Williams based stats other than QBR as well.


Your mom outperformed my top hoe. Dumb ass bitch.


You're still mean mugging in the mirror I see. And the only thing more lame than "liquid courage" is "internet courage" You goofy motherfucker!

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
[No Greater Lie Has Ever Been Told. You've just spent 5 hrs arguing to the contrary Hartgrove.

I'll help you by quoting the rest of my post, maybe try responding to that too:

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You're the one who has argued numerous times that Caleb Williams is bad based solely on QBR. But now you're arguing that Malik Willis outperformed Caleb Williams yesterday despite Caleb posting a much better QBR. I'm asking why you changed your tune so suddenly on QBR being an accurate summation of a QB's production?


Caleb Williams outperformed Malik Willis based on things other than QBR.


And Malik Willis outperformed Caleb Williams based stats other than QBR as well.

Why have you focused your past criticism of Caleb Williams based solely on QBR, though?

Let me help you out: It looks very much like you only use a stat like QBR when Caleb's rating is "bad", but when it runs directly counter to your assessment (like, Caleb Williams has a "good" QBR and/or one 100% better than that of Malik Williams, whom you said outperformed him), you cease wanting to treat it as an all-encompassing stat properly rating the production of a QB. I think this is because your assessment of Caleb Williams's performance is never honest or in good faith, you're instead always trying any way you can to paint the performance as somehow subpar or otherwise lacking, because you're mad that Justin Fields is no longer here to fumble the ball away late in the 4th. Why you have such a fascination with Justin Fields is anyone's guess, but don't fool yourself into thinking MANY cannot see it. And by the way: it's ad populum, and no, this isn't one.


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Why have you focused your past criticism of Caleb Williams based solely on QBR, though?
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So your argument is that Caleb Williams has played very well this season once you exclude the QBR stat which strongly suggests that he sucks. Talk about deranged.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
[No Greater Lie Has Ever Been Told. You've just spent 5 hrs arguing to the contrary Hartgrove.

I'll help you by quoting the rest of my post, maybe try responding to that too:

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You're the one who has argued numerous times that Caleb Williams is bad based solely on QBR. But now you're arguing that Malik Willis outperformed Caleb Williams yesterday despite Caleb posting a much better QBR. I'm asking why you changed your tune so suddenly on QBR being an accurate summation of a QB's production?


Caleb Williams outperformed Malik Willis based on things other than QBR.


And Malik Willis outperformed Caleb Williams based stats other than QBR as well.

Why have you focused your past criticism of Caleb Williams based solely on QBR, though?

Let me help you out: It looks very much like you only use a stat like QBR when Caleb's rating is "bad", but when it runs directly counter to your assessment (like, Caleb Williams has a "good" QBR and/or one 100% better than that of Malik Williams, whom you said outperformed him), you cease wanting to treat it as an all-encompassing stat properly rating the production of a QB. I think this is because your assessment of Caleb Williams's performance is never honest or in good faith, you're instead always trying any way you can to paint the performance as somehow subpar or otherwise lacking, because you're mad that Justin Fields is no longer here to fumble the ball away late in the 4th. Why you have such a fascination with Justin Fields is anyone's guess, but don't fool yourself into thinking MANY cannot see it. And by the way: it's ad populum, and no, this isn't one.


So your argument is that Caleb Williams has played very well this season once you exclude the QBR stat which strongly suggests that he sucks. Talk about deranged.

So QBR is accurate again? What does QBR say about Caleb's performance yesterday relative to the Packers QB who took the most snaps?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
So QBR is accurate again? What does QBR say about Caleb's performance yesterday relative to the Packers QB who took the most snaps?


If only the advanced stats guys would just remove QBR from their analysis, Caleb would be regarded as first team.all NFL. Hey Hartgrove how about starting that campaign up why don't ya?

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The company a high QBR QB keeps is who you would think. The company a low QBR QB keeps is also who you would think.

The argument about QBR is of those in the middle. Is Sam Darnold the 14th ranked QB In the League? Probably not. But you can't be a bottom feeder next to Anthony Richardson and hilariously make an argument that Caleb has played well. I mean, you can, and it's hilarious.


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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
So QBR is accurate again? What does QBR say about Caleb's performance yesterday relative to the Packers QB who took the most snaps?


If only the advanced stats guys would just remove QBR from their analysis, Caleb would be regarded as first team.all NFL. Hey Hartgrove how about starting that campaign up why don't ya?

Now this is argumentum ad populum.


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But you can't be a bottom feeder next to Anthony Richardson and hilariously make an argument that Caleb has played well. I mean, you can, and it's hilarious.

Who is doing that?


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The company a high QBR QB keeps is who you would think. The company a low QBR QB keeps is also who you would think.

So Jordan Love is a Top 5 NFL QB? You'd put him in the same class as Burrow, Allen, Jackson and such?


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
So QBR is accurate again? What does QBR say about Caleb's performance yesterday relative to the Packers QB who took the most snaps?


If only the advanced stats guys would just remove QBR from their analysis, Caleb would be regarded as first team.all NFL. Hey Hartgrove how about starting that campaign up why don't ya?

Now this is argumentum ad populum.


Look at you go, high school forensics assistant coach.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
So QBR is accurate again? What does QBR say about Caleb's performance yesterday relative to the Packers QB who took the most snaps?


If only the advanced stats guys would just remove QBR from their analysis, Caleb would be regarded as first team.all NFL. Hey Hartgrove how about starting that campaign up why don't ya?

Now this is argumentum ad populum.


The basis of every argument that has ever existed on this dying message board! If only Peep Show, Antioch, Juiced, Brick and Bumper Humper support whatever stupid shit that I happen to be pumping at the moment, then my fallacious argument becomes much less fallacious as a result

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nardi wrote:
The company a high QBR QB keeps is who you would think. The company a low QBR QB keeps is also who you would think.

So Jordan Love is a Top 5 NFL QB? You'd put him in the same class as Burrow, Allen, Jackson and such?


As Hartgrove works feverishly to make the case that Caleb's 46 QBR is hardly a true reflection of his " greatness"

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nardi wrote:
The company a high QBR QB keeps is who you would think. The company a low QBR QB keeps is also who you would think.

So Jordan Love is a Top 5 NFL QB? You'd put him in the same class as Burrow, Allen, Jackson and such?


As Hartgrove works feverishly to make the case that Caleb's 46 QBR is hardly a true reflection of his " greatness"


Yoi know who had a 46 QBR as a 24 year old three uear player? Justin field's. Dumb ass. Your my hoe I own you so much each and every time.

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Your my hoe I own you so much each and every time.


You say you a gangsta, but you never pop nothin'
We say you a wanksta and you need to stop frontin'
You go to the dealership, but you don't never cop nothin
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
He They Xe Xem wrote:
Your my hoe I own you so much each and every time.


You say you a gangsta, but you never pop nothin'
We say you a wanksta and you need to stop frontin'
You go to the dealership, but you don't never cop nothin
'


When you get got like i got you up there you starte singing like a bitch. You wont step to me in any place that doest require me to introduce my pronoun's first so stop faking like your tough. Admit you got got up there by pointing out Field's QBR during his peak with the bear's or admit your a pussy hoe bitch.

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When you get got like i got you up there you starte singing like a bitch. You wont step to me in any place that doest require me to introduce my pronoun's first so stop faking like your tough.

Hey tough Tony. You are currently yelling into a keyboard about how tough you are. Do you not realize just how stupid and insecure that makes you look? By the way your routine needs a tidbit more practice..It's getting rather stale


Me I'm no mobster, me I'm no gangsta
Me I'm no hitman, me I'm just me, me
Me I'm no wanksta, me I'm no actor
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Pretty hilarious that JLN trumpeted QBR to explain how much better Caleb Williams is than…uh…Malik Willis…when QBR also pretty definitively has Caleb Williams as the worst quarterback in the NFL to be the incumbent starter for the whole season.


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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nardi wrote:
The company a high QBR QB keeps is who you would think. The company a low QBR QB keeps is also who you would think.

So Jordan Love is a Top 5 NFL QB? You'd put him in the same class as Burrow, Allen, Jackson and such?


As Hartgrove works feverishly to make the case that Caleb's 46 QBR is hardly a true reflection of his " greatness"

No, I'm showing that QBR is, even on the extremes, a flawed statistic that can easily return absurd results.

Jordan Love is not a Top 5 QB in the NFL, not even close.


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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
He They Xe Xem wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
He They Xe Xem wrote:
Your my hoe I own you so much each and every time.


You say you a gangsta, but you never pop nothin'
We say you a wanksta and you need to stop frontin'
You go to the dealership, but you don't never cop nothin
'


When you get got like i got you up there you starte singing like a bitch. You wont step to me in any place that doest require me to introduce my pronoun's first so stop faking like your tough. Admit you got got up there by pointing out Field's QBR during his peak with the bear's or admit your a pussy hoe bitch.


Me I'm no mobster, me I'm no gangsta
Me I'm no hitman, me I'm just me, me
Me I'm no wanksta, me I'm no actor
But it's me you see on your TV


I won. Your a hoe.

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No, I'm showing that QBR is, even on the extremes, a flawed statistic that can easily return absurd results.

Jordan Love is not a Top 5 QB in the NFL, not even close.


Total Passing Yards for a QB can be a rather "flawed statistic" but you ran with it as validation for your belief that Caleb is a very good QB..

And the reason that you are opposed to QBR is because it is a metric that strongly suggests that Caleb sucks as a player

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I won. Your a hoe.

Of what? The CFMB version of the "Grand Prize Game"?

There are stray cats more menacing than your sorry ass.

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I won. Your a hoe.

Of what? The CFMB version of the "Grand Prize Game"?

There are stray cats more menacing than your sorry ass.

Thats wny you run from me everytime i checkmated your ass and start dropping bar's like a has been bitch rapper you fagot.

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Thats wny you run from me everytime i checkmated your ass.

From internet gangster to world class chess player in a manner of moments. You don't find those sort of Chameleons just anywhere ya know!

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Thats wny you run from me everytime i checkmated your ass.

From internet gangster to world class chess player in a manner of moments. You don't find those sort of Chameleons just anywhere ya know!


Keep runing away from the 46 QBR embrassment up there hoe. Checkmate. Dumb bitch

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Keep runing away from the 46 QBR embrassment up there hoe. Checkmate. Dumb bitch


You lack the minerals and vitamins, irons and the niacin
Fuck who that I offend, rappers sit back, I'm about to begin
'Bout foul talk you sqwak, never even walked the walk
More or less destined to get tested, never been arrested

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Nardi wrote:
The company a high QBR QB keeps is who you would think. The company a low QBR QB keeps is also who you would think.

So Jordan Love is a Top 5 NFL QB? You'd put him in the same class as Burrow, Allen, Jackson and such?

Is Such #4?
There's a big drop after the obvious top 3 QBs in the NFL. If you recall, or don't, probably don't because you have better things to do, but I don't, he had a long string of games he was smoking hot. He's 12th in passer rating and GB is a top 5 offense. Obviously, they are petering out.

Him 5th isn't outrageous. You obviously think Caleb being 28th is outrageous. If you want to push him up near has been Rodgers, fine with me. Besides, Caleb seems more 25th best QB in the league rather than 28th.


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