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Dalton Schultz is currently a better blocker and receiver. The Bears should have signed him. He took less from Houston.

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Dalton Schultz is currently a better blocker and receiver. The Bears should have signed him. He took less from Houston.


The only thing is, the entire league had the chance to give Dalton Schultz big time money, and passed, so is there something underneath the covers? Bad locker room guy?


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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The Kmet sucks camp needs to show its work at this point.
2022 Kmet TE rankings

16th in Rec
13th in Yards
2nd in penalties
19th Rec yards per game

5th in TDs, but lets break this down since he went over a calendar year without finding the end zone
All were in Bears losses, and yes there was a lot of these but still.
His first TD was against Dallas in week 8 when the score was 42-23
He followed up with two good games against Miami and Detroit. He then didn't find the end zone until garbage time in week 17 and 18.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-mo ... -ends-2022

For what its worth, he doesn't make the top 15 according to PFF.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not rooting against Kmet. But if you're going to spend $50mil on a TE, it has to be on a play better than Cole Kmet. My suspicion is that you would not be as high on Kmet if he had a different alma mater.


at least you didn't say it was because of skin color

Everything, you posted belies your statement that he sucks. He's solidly top 15 and on the edge of being top 10 at his position in the league. He's being paid as the 9th (starting next year, mind you. this year he is still on the rookie deal)

15th in receptions and 12th in yards, just to slightly correct. Adjust up for his 2nd in TD, his 72.5 catch % and being on the field for about 95% of offensive plays. The contract is completely fair.

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Dalton Schultz is currently a better blocker and receiver. The Bears should have signed him. He took less from Houston.


The only thing is, the entire league had the chance to give Dalton Schultz big time money, and passed, so is there something underneath the covers? Bad locker room guy?


I thought it was the league pulling back on TE contracts. Poles had other thoughts. I hope he's right.

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Caller Bob wrote:
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Dalton Schultz is currently a better blocker and receiver. The Bears should have signed him. He took less from Houston.


The only thing is, the entire league had the chance to give Dalton Schultz big time money, and passed, so is there something underneath the covers? Bad locker room guy?


Injury prone. He can't stay healthy. Kmet has been fairly healthy and room to improve.


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good dolphin wrote:
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The Kmet sucks camp needs to show its work at this point.
2022 Kmet TE rankings

16th in Rec
13th in Yards
2nd in penalties
19th Rec yards per game

5th in TDs, but lets break this down since he went over a calendar year without finding the end zone
All were in Bears losses, and yes there was a lot of these but still.
His first TD was against Dallas in week 8 when the score was 42-23
He followed up with two good games against Miami and Detroit. He then didn't find the end zone until garbage time in week 17 and 18.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-mo ... -ends-2022

For what its worth, he doesn't make the top 15 according to PFF.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not rooting against Kmet. But if you're going to spend $50mil on a TE, it has to be on a play better than Cole Kmet. My suspicion is that you would not be as high on Kmet if he had a different alma mater.


at least you didn't say it was because of skin color

Everything, you posted belies your statement that he sucks. He's solidly top 15 and on the edge of being top 10 at his position in the league. He's being paid as the 9th (starting next year, mind you. this year he is still on the rookie deal)

15th in receptions and 12th in yards, just to slightly correct. Adjust up for his 2nd in TD, his 72.5 catch % and being on the field for about 95% of offensive plays. The contract is completely fair.


There are only like 15 decent TEs in the NFL.

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Caller Bob wrote:
Nas wrote:
Dalton Schultz is currently a better blocker and receiver. The Bears should have signed him. He took less from Houston.


The only thing is, the entire league had the chance to give Dalton Schultz big time money, and passed, so is there something underneath the covers? Bad locker room guy?


and, he signed with the Texans, so he was desperate even for the contract he signed. If Schultz hit FA 2 years ago, he would have had a big contract. He was a FA after a down year. He is 3 years older, 15 pounds lighter and not a better blocker. He was also in a real passing offense. We'll see who Schultz really is this year. If he is good, he's a FA.

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Nas wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
The Kmet sucks camp needs to show its work at this point.
2022 Kmet TE rankings

16th in Rec
13th in Yards
2nd in penalties
19th Rec yards per game

5th in TDs, but lets break this down since he went over a calendar year without finding the end zone
All were in Bears losses, and yes there was a lot of these but still.
His first TD was against Dallas in week 8 when the score was 42-23
He followed up with two good games against Miami and Detroit. He then didn't find the end zone until garbage time in week 17 and 18.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-mo ... -ends-2022

For what its worth, he doesn't make the top 15 according to PFF.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not rooting against Kmet. But if you're going to spend $50mil on a TE, it has to be on a play better than Cole Kmet. My suspicion is that you would not be as high on Kmet if he had a different alma mater.


at least you didn't say it was because of skin color

Everything, you posted belies your statement that he sucks. He's solidly top 15 and on the edge of being top 10 at his position in the league. He's being paid as the 9th (starting next year, mind you. this year he is still on the rookie deal)

15th in receptions and 12th in yards, just to slightly correct. Adjust up for his 2nd in TD, his 72.5 catch % and being on the field for about 95% of offensive plays. The contract is completely fair.


There are only like 15 decent TEs in the NFL.


I would have said top 10 but I don't want to do homework all day, so I took the easily provable.

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There are only like 15 decent TEs in the NFL.
And Kmet ain't one of them. Hopefully this changes but I don't have high hopes.

Just like with Tim Anderson, I would be happy to eat crow here.

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Dalton Schultz is currently a better blocker and receiver. The Bears should have signed him. He took less from Houston.


The only thing is, the entire league had the chance to give Dalton Schultz big time money, and passed, so is there something underneath the covers? Bad locker room guy?


and, he signed with the Texans, so he was desperate even for the contract he signed. If Schultz hit FA 2 years ago, he would have had a big contract. He was a FA after a down year. He is 3 years older, 15 pounds lighter and not a better blocker. He was also in a real passing offense. We'll see who Schultz really is this year. If he is good, he's a FA.


The Cowboys offered him more money before the start of free agency. I suspect collusion had something to do with the TE market.

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One other thing for those worried about the contract, the Bears still have to spend another 15 million this year just to get to the salary FLOOR. They put a lot of money (20 mil) into a Kmet signing bonus this year, where his actual salary is low and they needed to spend cash. The contract then becomes 30 million over 4 years staring next year. 7.5 AAV is tiny and only enhances their ability to spend in free agency next year.

I bet they do something similar with Jaylon Johnson with that remaining 15 million.

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There are only like 15 decent TEs in the NFL.
And Kmet ain't one of them.


You just gave a series of stats that all showed he was.

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One other thing for those worried about the contract, the Bears still have to spend another 15 million this year just to get to the salary FLOOR. They put a lot of money (20 mil) into a Kmet signing bonus this year, where his actual salary is low and they needed to spend cash. The contract then becomes 30 million over 4 years staring next year. 7.5 AAV is tiny and only enhances their ability to spend in free agency next year.

I bet they do something similar with Jaylon Johnson with that remaining 15 million.


I would have been fine with giving Moore a boost and maybe Claypool or Mooney more money instead.

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Nas wrote:
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One other thing for those worried about the contract, the Bears still have to spend another 15 million this year just to get to the salary FLOOR. They put a lot of money (20 mil) into a Kmet signing bonus this year, where his actual salary is low and they needed to spend cash. The contract then becomes 30 million over 4 years staring next year. 7.5 AAV is tiny and only enhances their ability to spend in free agency next year.

I bet they do something similar with Jaylon Johnson with that remaining 15 million.


I would have been fine with giving Moore a boost and maybe Claypool or Mooney more money instead.


remember, that 15 remaining is just to get to the minimum mandated. They have a lot more money left to get to the maximum.

Since the Bears rolled a bunch into this year, the real way to look at this Kmet deal is 5 years for 53 million which is 10.6 AAV. That's Zack Ertz/Taysom Hill level money.

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One other thing for those worried about the contract, the Bears still have to spend another 15 million this year just to get to the salary FLOOR. They put a lot of money (20 mil) into a Kmet signing bonus this year, where his actual salary is low and they needed to spend cash. The contract then becomes 30 million over 4 years staring next year. 7.5 AAV is tiny and only enhances their ability to spend in free agency next year.

I bet they do something similar with Jaylon Johnson with that remaining 15 million.


I would have been fine with giving Moore a boost and maybe Claypool or Mooney more money instead.


That's a pretty noticeable gimp Claypool is sporting today, I don't think I'd sink any more money into that depreciating asset



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Nas wrote:
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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The Kmet sucks camp needs to show its work at this point.
2022 Kmet TE rankings

16th in Rec
13th in Yards
2nd in penalties
19th Rec yards per game

5th in TDs, but lets break this down since he went over a calendar year without finding the end zone
All were in Bears losses, and yes there was a lot of these but still.
His first TD was against Dallas in week 8 when the score was 42-23
He followed up with two good games against Miami and Detroit. He then didn't find the end zone until garbage time in week 17 and 18.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-mo ... -ends-2022

For what its worth, he doesn't make the top 15 according to PFF.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not rooting against Kmet. But if you're going to spend $50mil on a TE, it has to be on a play better than Cole Kmet. My suspicion is that you would not be as high on Kmet if he had a different alma mater.


at least you didn't say it was because of skin color

Everything, you posted belies your statement that he sucks. He's solidly top 15 and on the edge of being top 10 at his position in the league. He's being paid as the 9th (starting next year, mind you. this year he is still on the rookie deal)

15th in receptions and 12th in yards, just to slightly correct. Adjust up for his 2nd in TD, his 72.5 catch % and being on the field for about 95% of offensive plays. The contract is completely fair.


There are only like 15 decent TEs in the NFL.

There's like 8-10, and Kmet is not one of them. It means nothing to say hes top 15 when half the teams dont utilize TE as more than a 4th-5th option.

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Henry was just one example, and keep in mind that salaries across the board for non-RB's are going up. Kmet with average at best production is worth that contract especially at his age and the fact that his quarterback is likely suppressing his stats.

There are only two elite TE's in the NFL and Kmet is paid far less than them. Kmet was 3rd in touchdowns last year. Kmet was 13th in yards. This was while being 13th in targets.

Henry was just one example of another dumb TE contract like Kmet? Agreed.

Also, you cant bring up the QB bringing Kmet down when the only reason Kmet was targeted as much as he was is due to playing with CFL caliber wideouts.

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One other thing for those worried about the contract, the Bears still have to spend another 15 million this year just to get to the salary FLOOR. They put a lot of money (20 mil) into a Kmet signing bonus this year, where his actual salary is low and they needed to spend cash. The contract then becomes 30 million over 4 years staring next year. 7.5 AAV is tiny and only enhances their ability to spend in free agency next year.

I bet they do something similar with Jaylon Johnson with that remaining 15 million.


I would have been fine with giving Moore a boost and maybe Claypool or Mooney more money instead.


That's a pretty noticeable gimp Claypool is sporting today, I don't think I'd sink any more money into that depreciating asset



Fields said he has a knee.

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Henry was just one example of another dumb TE contract like Kmet? Agreed.
If you are going to say that Henry and Kmet are both bad contracts because of their production then there are very few TE contracts that aren't bad unless it's a rookie deal or Kelce or Kittle.

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Also, you cant bring up the QB bringing Kmet down when the only reason Kmet was targeted as much as he was is due to playing with CFL caliber wideouts.
Kmet is low on the list of targets for comparable production. Robert Tonyan was targeted 2 less times by Fields.

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Henry was just one example of another dumb TE contract like Kmet? Agreed.
If you are going to say that Henry and Kmet are both bad contracts because of their production then there are very few TE contracts that aren't bad unless it's a rookie deal or Kelce or Kittle.

Yes... dont pay non difference makers difference maker money. This isn't some gotcha by you, it's just common team building sense :lol:

Andrews is not a bad contract though. There are a few others.

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Henry was just one example of another dumb TE contract like Kmet? Agreed.
If you are going to say that Henry and Kmet are both bad contracts because of their production then there are very few TE contracts that aren't bad unless it's a rookie deal or Kelce or Kittle.

Yes... dont pay non difference makers difference maker money. This isn't some gotcha by you, it's just common team building sense :lol:

Andrews is not a bad contract though. There are a few others.


are you saying that Kmet contract is difference maker money? I'm not sure if you were or not so I don't want to assume

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Henry was just one example of another dumb TE contract like Kmet? Agreed.
If you are going to say that Henry and Kmet are both bad contracts because of their production then there are very few TE contracts that aren't bad unless it's a rookie deal or Kelce or Kittle.

Yes... dont pay non difference makers difference maker money. This isn't some gotcha by you, it's just common team building sense :lol:

Andrews is not a bad contract though. There are a few others.
Andrews is more productive because he actually gets thrown the ball. His production is about what Kmet would get per target. Now, you can say that Kmet should get open more but Fields leaves so many wide open people on the field I don't think I'd put it on Kmet.

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Henry was just one example of another dumb TE contract like Kmet? Agreed.
If you are going to say that Henry and Kmet are both bad contracts because of their production then there are very few TE contracts that aren't bad unless it's a rookie deal or Kelce or Kittle.

Yes... dont pay non difference makers difference maker money. This isn't some gotcha by you, it's just common team building sense :lol:

Andrews is not a bad contract though. There are a few others.


are you saying that Kmet contract is difference maker money? I'm not sure if you were or not so I don't want to assume

Only 4 tight ends in the NFL have more guaranteed money than Kmet just got. Yes I think paying a guy top 5 guaranteed money at his position is difference maker money.

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Henry was just one example of another dumb TE contract like Kmet? Agreed.
If you are going to say that Henry and Kmet are both bad contracts because of their production then there are very few TE contracts that aren't bad unless it's a rookie deal or Kelce or Kittle.

Yes... dont pay non difference makers difference maker money. This isn't some gotcha by you, it's just common team building sense :lol:

Andrews is not a bad contract though. There are a few others.
Andrews is more productive because he actually gets thrown the ball.

Yeah cuz he is good :lol:

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Henry was just one example of another dumb TE contract like Kmet? Agreed.
If you are going to say that Henry and Kmet are both bad contracts because of their production then there are very few TE contracts that aren't bad unless it's a rookie deal or Kelce or Kittle.

Yes... dont pay non difference makers difference maker money. This isn't some gotcha by you, it's just common team building sense :lol:

Andrews is not a bad contract though. There are a few others.
Andrews is more productive because he actually gets thrown the ball. His production is about what Kmet would get per target. Now, you can say that Kmet should get open more but Fields leaves so many wide open people on the field I don't think I'd put it on Kmet.


Andrew's does that as the only weapon on offense. I'm not sure Kmet could get open if teams actively tried to stop him.

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FavreFan wrote:
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Henry was just one example of another dumb TE contract like Kmet? Agreed.
If you are going to say that Henry and Kmet are both bad contracts because of their production then there are very few TE contracts that aren't bad unless it's a rookie deal or Kelce or Kittle.

Yes... dont pay non difference makers difference maker money. This isn't some gotcha by you, it's just common team building sense :lol:

Andrews is not a bad contract though. There are a few others.


are you saying that Kmet contract is difference maker money? I'm not sure if you were or not so I don't want to assume

Only 4 tight ends in the NFL have more guaranteed money than Kmet just got. Yes I think paying a guy top 5 guaranteed money at his position is difference maker money.

I like FF making an argument that Kmet got a better contract than George Kittle. :lol:

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Brick wrote:
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FavreFan wrote:
Brick wrote:
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Henry was just one example of another dumb TE contract like Kmet? Agreed.
If you are going to say that Henry and Kmet are both bad contracts because of their production then there are very few TE contracts that aren't bad unless it's a rookie deal or Kelce or Kittle.

Yes... dont pay non difference makers difference maker money. This isn't some gotcha by you, it's just common team building sense :lol:

Andrews is not a bad contract though. There are a few others.


are you saying that Kmet contract is difference maker money? I'm not sure if you were or not so I don't want to assume

Only 4 tight ends in the NFL have more guaranteed money than Kmet just got. Yes I think paying a guy top 5 guaranteed money at his position is difference maker money.

I like FF making an argument that Kmet got a better contract than George Kittle. :lol:

Except I never made that argument. Kittle got $40M guaranteed. I helped Bob out earlier so let me help you out with a picture

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Kmet slides into 5th there amigo.

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