I don’t believe it.

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Favre is in my top 5. Rodgers doesn't crack my top 10. Probably not top 15 if I gave it some thought.

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Rodgers is a Top 5 all time thrower, no doubt. He touch and accuracy were crazy.

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The intangibles from Favre put him far ahead of Rodgers to me. Plus, Favre played a great deal of his career in an era where we viewed certain stats differently. If I needed a quarterback to play a game for my life, I'm choosing Favre 10 times out of 10 over Karon.

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Favre was infinitely more likable but Rodgers was better by a wide margin. Favre was too much of a gunslinger. Aaron rarely made a mistake.

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Karon doesn't take chances and played in a different era. A 50 year old Favre put up numbers as good as anything Rodgers has done in his career. He was likely 3 AP fumbles and the Saints cheating from winning another Super Bowl.

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I agree with that because I want the ultimate competitor and he was.

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They did him terribly dirty that game, to go back and watch that is tough. That was bullshit but that fucker stayed in there.

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That's not Caleb

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what

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The Bears need help on the interior defensive line. Zack Pickens sucks and doesn't appear to be an NFL-caliber player.

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Caleb Williams wasn't particularly impressive today either. Looked overmatched against the 2nd string defense of the Bengals. He also isn't particularly special when he has to throw out of the pocket either.

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Allow me to channel my inner FavreFan here....did you even watch the game today?

He had 2 great throws while out of the pocket today.

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I think we should have had Justin Fields today. I’m not sure why? Maybe there is some reason the Doc will tell us. Like Caleb isn’t black enough as Justin is or some shit.

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Caleb Williams' football IQ appears to be off the charts. He has a feel for the game that can't be taught--in addition to unbelievable physical talent. That throw to Odunze in the end zone was absolutely insane even though it didn't count.

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Yep. You can’t quantify these things and I think a lot of people who don’t watch college football don’t understand why he was perceived differently than a guy like [name a good college QB] with similar stats.

Like a great American once said, you know it when you see it. Now it’s up to a McCaskey led organization to not fuck him up.

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I can't wait to see what this defense looks like with all of the starters on the field. The linebackers and secondary are going to be amazing, especially if Gordon continues to look like he did today. If only we had another edge rusher....

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Williams is clearly elite (the incomplete throw to Odunze in the endzone demonstrates all you would need to know). But his offensive weapons, combined with the fact that he doesn't face a divisional foe until nearly Thanksgiving...as Dick Enberg would say "Oh My!"

Did you watch the game? And "out of the pocket" and "outside of the pocket" are 2 different things. When he has to make passes out of the pocket there hasn't been much there. And he couldn't get any traction against Cincinnati's 2nd string defense either. Not 1 first down during the first 4 possessions.

He had a passer rating of 64 for the game. No TD passes in 2 games. He had a few plays against the scrubs and that was about it. A lot of the "analysis" here has been way overboard to be honest.

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It’s fair to point out his struggles and it’s fair to point out that he played mostly against backups today.


But it’s also fair to point point out that this is an NFL rookie that’s almost never played from under center, and hasn’t taken even 1 meaningful snap in an NFL game that counts yet. Right now we’re looking for flashes and we’re seeing it such as the deep throw to Odunze, or the corner (almost) TD pass to Odunze in the end zone. You look at things like ball placement and decision making as in ‘did he at least throw it to the right guy’.. stuff like that. Sure he hasn’t thrown a TD yet but.. he also hasn’t thrown an INT yet either nor turned the ball over in any capacity.


Id also add that there’s little to no game planning or scheming going on yet because it’s pre season so the routes are basic (making them easier to cover even for back ups), the concepts aren’t based off of any meaningful film study that keys you in on opponents strengths and weaknesses and so on. It’s pre season, and we’re dealing with a rookie QB. Not every week is going to be 100+ QB ratings and 4 TD’s. But it’s early in this thing, and I’d say there’s much more to be optimistic about here than not.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

What is the difference between "out of the pocket" and "outside the pocket"?

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Here is my point. It's OK to say that he didn't "play great" if he didn't "play great". There is nothing that I have seen in the 2 games to suggest that he will be either "great" or a "bust". There have been a few "flashes" when he had had to make plays outside of the pocket. However he was clearly overmatched when the Bengals had 2nd stringers in and there has been little to nothing from him when he has had to throw out of the pocket. And that's also concernin considering that he actually has had to play under center for the 1st time in his life. Thus we have no clue as to what he will look like as he does.
This and yet most if not all of the reporting has been about how great he played. Eyetest doesn't support that.

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Out of the pocket is still considered to be between the tackles. Outside of the pocket isn't.

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That seems incorrect. Can you elaborate?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

OK it "seems incorrect" to you and no I'm not.

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I'll just have to go with you being wrong.

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As is typically the case.

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It was a little hard for me to tell if Williams needed to scramble as much as he did last night. I was surprised that Waldron called rollouts on the first two plays of the game. I definitely would have liked to see more passing from the pocket. The slant that Williams missed to Moore was a great pass, though, but the coverage was even better. Williams probably shouldn't have gone to Moore there, especially since Odunze was apparently coming open down field. The play-action bomb to Scott also appeared to be a perfect throw.

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