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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ben Johnson
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He played well to very well in many individual games. He also was horrendous in other games. That's just a fact.

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Still though, why aren't you willing to just judge Williams on his play next year instead of making excuses for good or bad play?

Because of comments such as the one I just highlighted above

It's just a fact though. QB Rating of 95 or better in 9 games. Take away the two blowout losses to SF and Detroit and it's still 7 games.

6 games he was horrendous in though.


The overwhelming number of stats validates that he was one of the worst QBs in the league.

And you just tried to pass off something that was clearly your opinion as a fact. Which is exactly what you will do when it comes to an excuse. Not interested.

But how about this. Why don't you provide a list of stats which validate that he played "very well" and I'll list the things which demonstrate that he played very badly and see where we get? Hell I'll even start a separate thread or bump some of the others.

We got Johnson. The creator of the coolest trick play I ever saw. It doesn't cost you anything to have a little optimism.


Unlike MANY here, I refuse to get "Moist" simply because we now have Johnson

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You were ball washing Mike McCarthy last week.

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I ball washed Johnson, followed by McCarthy, followed by Monken. Back to Johnson. I'm a complete slut.


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And you just tried to pass off something that was clearly your opinion as a fact. Which is exactly what you will do when it comes to an excuse. Not interested.
It is a fact. No one would make an argument that a 95 QB rating in a close game is examples of him playing "well to very well". By the way, Justin Fields, under the same criteria, had 11 games with a 95 or better QB rating, and 10 with a QB rating of 95 or better in a close game.

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But how about this. Why don't you provide a list of stats which validate that he played "very well" and I'll list the things which demonstrate that he played very badly and see where we get? He'll I'll even start a separate thread or bump some of the others.
I did. I've already said the 7 games he played well and the game was within 6 points or they won.


Nah dude. It's simple. List all of the stats which indicated that he played "very well" this season and I will list all of the ones which suggested that he didn't.

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Nah dude. It's simple. List all of the stats which indicated that he played "very well" this season and I will list all of the ones which suggested that he didn't.
I don't think Williams played "very well" for the whole season. He was dragged down by some terrible performances.

I'm not going to have an argument with something you are misquoting me on.

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You were ball washing Mike McCarthy last week.


Nah I just said get him and get out the way. I didn't start a thread or make more than 2-3 posts about him. Now that they have hired your guy then there shouldn't be any excuses as to why Caleb sucks. But "we" know that there will be as soon as the season kicks off.

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Nah dude. It's simple. List all of the stats which indicated that he played "very well" this season and I will list all of the ones which suggested that he didn't.
I don't think Williams played "very well" for the whole season. He was dragged down by some terrible performances.

I'm not going to have an argument with something you are misquoting me on.

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Apprently is was John Shoop that inspired Johnson to get into coaching.


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Brick wrote:
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He played well to very well in many individual games. He also was horrendous in other games. That's just a fact.

Brick wrote:
Still though, why aren't you willing to just judge Williams on his play next year instead of making excuses for good or bad play?

Because of comments such as the one I just highlighted above

It's just a fact though. QB Rating of 95 or better in 9 games. Take away the two blowout losses to SF and Detroit and it's still 7 games.

6 games he was horrendous in though.


In 3 of the games that he attained a 95 or better rating he passed for less than 160 yards

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Why is everything a "stipulation" with you? Just make your comment and keep it pushing.

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Why is everything a "stipulation" with you? Just make your comment and keep it pushing.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ben Johnson
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And you just tried to pass off something that was clearly your opinion as a fact. Which is exactly what you will do when it comes to an excuse. Not interested.
It is a fact. No one would make an argument that a 95 QB rating in a close game is examples of him playing "well to very well". By the way, Justin Fields, under the same criteria, had 11 games with a 95 or better QB rating, and 10 with a QB rating of 95 or better in a close game.

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But how about this. Why don't you provide a list of stats which validate that he played "very well" and I'll list the things which demonstrate that he played very badly and see where we get? He'll I'll even start a separate thread or bump some of the others.
I did. I've already said the 7 games he played well and the game was within 6 points or they won.

QB rating doesn't take sacks and fumbles into account. So you have him playing well against the 49ers in a game he was sacked 7 times, lost a fumble, and lost 38-13. For that game his QB rating was 116.9, his QBR was 31.1, and his EPA/play was -0.15.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ben Johnson
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QB rating doesn't take sacks and fumbles into account. So you have him playing well against the 49ers in a game he was sacked 7 times, lost a fumble, and lost 38-13. For that game his QB rating was 116.9, his QBR was 31.1, and his EPA/play was -0.15.

Btw that game featured the most anemic first half of offense in modern NFL history. I believe the Bears moved the ball four yards forward in the entire first two quarters. And it was when vibes were good and hopes were running high with Thomas Brown taking over.

Really it might’ve been Caleb’s worst game, though its pretty hard to top the disaster against New England which was a total shitshow.


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It should be noted that the "cherry picking" stats crew are nowhere to be found when Brick is clearly "cherry picking" a stat.

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 Post subject: Re: Fire Ben Johnson
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The other version of the story of why Johnson is not the coach of Washington that is making the rounds is that Washington GM Peters was on his way to meet with Johnson and was talking to him during the flight.
Peters told Johnson they were drafting Daniels and Johnson said he wanted to build the offense around Sam Howell.
Peters went back never meeting with Johnson.
Not a good look if you believe this version of the story.

Let the games begin...............


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The other version of the story of why Johnson is not the coach of Washington that is making the rounds is that Washington GM Peters was on his way to meet with Johnson and was talking to him during the flight.
Peters told Johnson they were drafting Daniels and Johnson said he wanted to build the offense around Sam Howell.
Peters went back never meeting with Johnson.
Not a good look if you believe this version of the story.

Let the games begin...............


I also read this. Hope that isn't something that is indicative of his judgment or ability to assess talent. And you've got to love the spin about "choosing Caleb" when it might be that he just simply chose "da money". :lol: :lol:

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I have a pretty strong feeling the Bears will be in the mix for a veteran backup. Someone like Daniel Jones or something. The organization is probably ready to move on from Tyson Bagent and it’s just not Ben Johnson’s profile to try and a “develop a quarterback”. He’s never really been a part of something like that.

Another thing I did not know was that his time in Detroit predates Dan Campbell’s. Which I think is just interested, he struck me as somebody handpicked but nah he was just the guy who was there. Not a knock.


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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Why is everything a "stipulation" with you? Just make your comment and keep it pushing.

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The other version of the story of why Johnson is not the coach of Washington that is making the rounds is that Washington GM Peters was on his way to meet with Johnson and was talking to him during the flight.
Peters told Johnson they were drafting Daniels and Johnson said he wanted to build the offense around Sam Howell.
Peters went back never meeting with Johnson.
Not a good look if you believe this version of the story.

Let the games begin...............


I also read this. Hope that isn't something that is indicative of his judgment or ability to assess talent. And you've got to love the spin about "choosing Caleb" when it might be that he just simply chose "da money". :lol: :lol:


If true, isn't what he wanted to do in DC essentially the same as what you have stated MANY times previously, that the Bears should have built the offense around their existing QB and instead use that high draft pick on other positions? Just Asking A Question.

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If true, isn't what he wanted to do in DC essentially the same as what you have stated MANY times previously, that the Bears should have built the offense around their existing QB and instead use that high draft pick on other positions? Just Asking A Question.


Difference between my proposal and his is that I always believed that Fields was the better player. And until "Generational Caleb" proves otherwise, he is.

One of the primary reasons that I wanted the "Generational One" shipped out is that not only did I believe he wasn't the next Mahomes, I also didn't believe he was better than Fields either. But as long as there were others who believed that he was, then the move clearly was to trade the pick and receive a "major haul" for it. No doubt the Bears would have instantly been better. And as these playoffs have demonstrated, good enough to be one of the better teams in the Conference. Now we're back to Brick celebrating them being .500

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And you just tried to pass off something that was clearly your opinion as a fact. Which is exactly what you will do when it comes to an excuse. Not interested.
It is a fact. No one would make an argument that a 95 QB rating in a close game is examples of him playing "well to very well". By the way, Justin Fields, under the same criteria, had 11 games with a 95 or better QB rating, and 10 with a QB rating of 95 or better in a close game.

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But how about this. Why don't you provide a list of stats which validate that he played "very well" and I'll list the things which demonstrate that he played very badly and see where we get? He'll I'll even start a separate thread or bump some of the others.
I did. I've already said the 7 games he played well and the game was within 6 points or they won.

QB rating doesn't take sacks and fumbles into account. So you have him playing well against the 49ers in a game he was sacked 7 times, lost a fumble, and lost 38-13. For that game his QB rating was 116.9, his QBR was 31.1, and his EPA/play was -0.15.

I took out the two games they weren't within 6 points and the SF is one of those.

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And you just tried to pass off something that was clearly your opinion as a fact. Which is exactly what you will do when it comes to an excuse. Not interested.
It is a fact. No one would make an argument that a 95 QB rating in a close game is examples of him playing "well to very well". By the way, Justin Fields, under the same criteria, had 11 games with a 95 or better QB rating, and 10 with a QB rating of 95 or better in a close game.

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But how about this. Why don't you provide a list of stats which validate that he played "very well" and I'll list the things which demonstrate that he played very badly and see where we get? He'll I'll even start a separate thread or bump some of the others.
I did. I've already said the 7 games he played well and the game was within 6 points or they won.

QB rating doesn't take sacks and fumbles into account. So you have him playing well against the 49ers in a game he was sacked 7 times, lost a fumble, and lost 38-13. For that game his QB rating was 116.9, his QBR was 31.1, and his EPA/play was -0.15.

I took out the two games they weren't within 6 points and the SF is one of those.


Jordan Love had a 97-98 rating for the season yet you claimed that he was merely Derek Carr as a player. Now Caleb is playing "very well" merely by hitting the 95 passer rating mark.

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Jordan Love had a 97-98 rating for the season yet you claimed that he was merely Derek Carr as a player. Now Caleb is" very well" merely by hitting the 95 passer rating mark.

Derek Carr had a 101 rating last year. :lol:

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Jordan Love had a 97-98 rating for the season yet you claimed that he was merely Derek Carr as a player. Now Caleb is" very well" merely by hitting the 95 passer rating mark.

Derek Carr had a 101 rating last year. :lol:

And Caleb had an 87 rating. 3rd worst in the league for Starting QBs if memory serves correctly :lol: :lol:

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You know who doesn’t argue about stats and all that bullshit? Redskins fans, because Jayden Daniels has gone on the road in the playoffs twice and excelled in both games as a rookie. The Bears passed up the generational talent in this draft.


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Why don't you want to talk about Caleb's passer rating? :lol:

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Why don't you want to talk about Caleb's passer rating? :lol:
I prefer talking about the topic at hand though I'd love to talk more about whatever bad point you just made that backfired spectacularly.

But to answer your question, overall Caleb's passer rating was not great.

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I guess he doesn't agree with the assessment of Caleb by some of the board notables

I wouldn't exactly consider that to be a positive.

The best coaching candidate of the last 2 years picks the Bears job and there is no doubt a huge reason he picked it is because of Williams. He disagrees with your assessment. We will see who is right.


That "WE" will. But I expect the excuse making to start as soon as the games actually begin. "New Coach" "Rookie Coach" "3rd HC in 1+seasons" "Ownership" "GM" Yadda Yadda Yadda. One thing is for sure as "WE" well know. He whom is considered by CFMB posters to be the savior in January will undoubtedly be viewed by MANY to be the pariah by November. That much "WE" know.

There is going to be that happening either way it goes. If Williams and Johnson do a good job there will be excuses to try and show they really are not doing a good job.


If Caleb does well, Justin CULT will say, "He is nothing more than a system QB. Would be a bust without Johnson." If Caleb struggles, " Even Johnson couldn't unlock his "generational" talents." blah blah blah. Meanwhile, Justin will be bench warming for some team or starting for the Browns/Jets or some shit show franchise that want to punt the season for a real QB in 2026 draft. No way T.Brady wants Justin in LV.

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