So what are you basing this on? You got some figure for how many drops he has or something?

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At home. Drops her with one hit.

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Nowhere. The title of the thread completely misses the point.

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Not really though. Drops have been there. So has the inefficiency, and the big games agains sorry teams like IND and Jax. It was a good trade but Marshall has been what I thought he'd be so far. LIke you and IB said, he's been an inefficient #1 WR with all that comes with that. Still worth the draft pick IMO but he's not a GREAT player by any means.

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Through 5 games, Brandon Marshall has more receptions, yards, & TD's than the following great WR's:

Larry Fitzgerald
Calvin Johnson
Andre Johnson
Roddy White
Steve Smith

Marshall leads the NFC in receiving yardage. He has 2 drops in 5 games.

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They gave up two # 3 picks and Marshall is damn good if not great.

My bad. "Completely misses the point" was a bit strong. Like you said, the real problem isn't drops but rather per-play efficiency.

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Through four games, Marshall's superawesome production has amounted to -0.5 DVOA (44th in the league) and 38 DYAR (36th in the league). More importantly, he's caught 59% of the passes targeted at him. I don't have a rank for that last one, but suffice it to say that even with the small sample size in mind, it's stupefyingly bad.

On a semi-related note: I'm really, really, really excited about the responses this post is going to elicit.

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Every pass throw to Brandon Marshall is a pass that isn't thrown to Kellen Davis so that's fucking awesome.

There's a handful of us that know your point is well taken. The rest are ranking D players by total tackles. Still, the old illusive eye test is telling me Marshall is better than his numbers so far.

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My point on loose/lose is that usually the person calling someone a looser makes a comment calling the person stupid and a looser.

If you call someone stupid at least have enough brains to know the difference between loose and lose.

Good example of if you examine enough stats you can make any player in the league bad.

I am not saying Marshall is the greatest WR in the league or anything close. But to say that he has been "stupefyingly bad" is just crazy. There is no way that number of receptions and yards can be viewed as that bad and then combine that with the fact that anyone who watches the game can see that he provides Cutler something he has not had while in Chicago.

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This is what I was thinking RFDC. He could be much more productive once Jeffery establishes himself and they get
a consistent 3rd receiver. Cutler looks in Marshall's direction way too much and a good defensive team with a scheme
can neutralize him like the Packers did and I wouldn't even call their defense all that special.

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True, and

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Brandon Marshall: The NFL's somewhere between 44th to 36th best receiver.

He's no Vincent Jackson...

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Good example of someone who never learned to read.

I didn't say he's been stupefyingly bad; I said his catch rate has been stupefyingly bad, as it has been for much of his career. The advanced numbers don't tell the whole story, because he's clearly added a new element to the Bears offense, but the standard stats don't tell the whole story either, because the guy is just not very efficient.

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This is an unscientific opinion, but Cutler deserves a lot of the blame for a lot of the passes thrown to him that are incomplete. They are either thrown away, but in his general direction... or just ridiculous throws into really tight coverage that are nearly impossible to catch. He's had drops, but it's not an issue this season, IMO.

For those of you who aren't familiar with DYAR & DVOA, below is the link that explains these statistics & the WR rankings. Take a look at the WR's ranked ahead of Marshall & reach your own conclusion.

WR studs like Roberts, Bess, Decker, Barden, Stokley, Washington, Hartline, Walter, Rice, Jones, Morgon, Hixon, & Moore are all ranked ahead of Brandon Marshall.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

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So in the past few days we have had some sort of 'statistic' more or less tell us that the Sox were better than the Tigers this year, Brandon Marshall is not even a top 30 NFL WR, and that Mike Trout had a better year than a guy who won the the triple crown.

I think I'll just stay with the following the results on the field and not put all that much into whatever a certain formula throws out at us.

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Hah amen to that. I am sick of silly statistics that tell me something different than common sense.

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Come on now...who wouldn't rather have Davone Bess, Nate Washington, Brandon Stockley, Ramses Barden, or Brian Hartline than Brandon Marshall???

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Plus people post stats that they don't even really believe in

I'll take them, if any of those guys can get open when they play the Packers .

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I think you are looking at this the wrong way. If the Bears didn't get Marshall, their most likely top WR acquisition would have been Pierre Garcon, after they were outbid for Vincent Jackson by Tampa. I'm comfortable with the price that was paid and the production in retrospect.

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Yikes. Terrible thought process.

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If makes Cutler more at ease I am all for it.

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Curious, what did Dave and IB see when it comes to Marshall? Whatever it is, I hope they see it in the rest of the Bears WRs.

59 recs 797 yds 7 TDs

Horrible. Just horrible.

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