They had a GOAT at LB, a hall of very good at LB, a HOF CB, in early years an all star DT (albeit injury prone), and in later years a GOAT DE.

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Crediting Lovie with Tampa's success is historical revisionism, not historical accuracy.

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Hopefully the dumbest notion I'll read today ... it's early though ...

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Ive heard Dungy talk up Lovie's contributions to it. Im trying to find articles from that era but now that he's back with the Bucs its all 2014 stuff.

Im not gonna argue it that much because the early Bucs years are not a big part of the Lovie success. It was just another place he was at with a great defense.

Are you kidding?

Bulger was real good for a while and much better than Rex.

The LBer and Safety were the only players that were studs before Lovie arrived. All I've heard over the past few years was how bad Peppers was. I didn't agree with that but clearly his best days were behind him. Also you need more than 3 or 4 good to great players to have sustained success in the NFL but somehow the Bears kept winning.

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Good thing you didnt read it.


Here is the closest thing anyone said to that


Amazing how he keeps lucking into great defenses (Bucs, Rams, Bears) and very coincidental that Tillman just happened to become a turnover machine as soon as Lovie took over.


Not exactly crediting as presented.

Yes definitely revisionist. Separately, not directed to TM, it's not fair to diminish his likability as a coach. Likability without success is rightfully irrelevant, but him being likable was indeed part of why he enjoyed success.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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I can't wait for Tampa to suck and you all start the Lovie excuses start flying .

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They ran a version of the Cover 2 and it was adopted and modernized by Dungy and whoever in TB

They may not make the playoffs this year but they won't suck. By next season they will be a tough team to beat.

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I was going more with this:

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Ok. How does that diminish the job Lovie did building them back up?

I didnt mean that to reference only his Bucs years. The creation part was but the success came later with the Bears.

Guess I wasnt too clear on that

Hilarious.

Lovie is a winning coach right now. The excuses are on your side of the argument, playa


And how do you know his amazing luck wont continue?

I will freely admit that some of my Lovie dislike is bitterness over how he coached the team but I still dont think that I would consider him a good coach if he did the same thing and had the same record in AZ or San Diego.

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Yeah, I'm not rooting for him to suck. I dont take any particular joy in it. I just think that he will.

I think the horseshoe fell out of his ass at the end of his tenure in Chicago. Maybe he can get a new one jammed up there but once its gone, its usually gone.

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He did a good job after the defense had a single off year. It wasn't like he had a Herculean task, though. I think he's a good defensive coach, but he most assuredly did not create the Tampa 2, was not a key coach on the great Tampa defenses, and did not consistently produce a great defense with the Bears.

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Haven't seen or heard anything compelling for me to think those aren't the most reasonable thoughts to have on him and his future, such as it may be.

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Not a key coach? What are you basing that on? Their linebacker core was pretty good.

Obviously the head coach and D coordinator get more credit but to be specifically saying he wasnt a key coach seems odd.

Lovie was not responsible for devising Tampa's defensive scheme, implementing it, or formulating game strategy. His contributions were peripheral, not essential.

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Was Bob Babich a key to the success when he coached the LBs?

LOvie is certainly better than Wannstandt or Romeo Crenell...but he's not a great coach...he's slightly above average ...like Jeff Fischer ...neither will win a SuperBowl as a head coach.

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Exactly. Who was the Bears' linebackers coach when they won the Superbowl? I'm not sure I've ever known. But you better damn well believe that EVERY Bears fan knows that Buddy Ryan was the architect of that defense.

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Not even close to the worst even in this thread...

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It's also now a more "Why do Bears fans want Lovie to fail" thread.

Yeah, Hank overshot on that one a bit


Briggs is a Hall of Very Good at the very least though. And Harris was an all star (pro bowler)

I can't tell if that's more silly in regards to the 2005 or 1985 Bears ..... that said, derivative revisionism isn't as 'bad' as pure revisionism.

What we can all agree on, I think, is that 312 likely hasn't owned a television for about two decades.

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Urlacher, Briggs, Tillman, Harris and Peppers.

I'm not saying a true greatest of all time but people that can be in the discussion. Hell, Briggs might even worm his way into the HOF...

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So the Bears were only great on defense because of those players?

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Great? Yes, of course. I think if you put avg players in Urlacher, Briggs and Tillman's positions, Lovie fails and is fired within 3 seasons. He goes back to being a position coach or a def coord.

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