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Why are the McClaskeys and Sweaty Teddy treating the Angelo Era as though it yielded multiple championships?


Because that era included a Super Bowl appearance, a new stadium deal, and huge financial returns. The teams had super stars which drove millions of $ in merchandising.

it's fools gold and real fans know better, but in their eyes, they saw a healthy bottom line.



The new stadium deal had nothing to do with Angelo, nor did the team's increasing profit margin--especially given the NFL's revenue-sharing policy.

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Why are the McClaskeys and Sweaty Teddy treating the Angelo Era as though it yielded multiple championships?


Because that era included a Super Bowl appearance, a new stadium deal, and huge financial returns. The teams had super stars which drove millions of $ in merchandising.

it's fools gold and real fans know better, but in their eyes, they saw a healthy bottom line.



The new stadium deal had nothing to do with Angelo, nor did the team's increasing profit margin--especially given the NFL's revenue-sharing policy.


I agree but in the mind of Teddy the team was successful so I'm sure he looks at those as good years.

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Ballard seems like a good cat.

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The former Chicago Bears personnel staff member spent 12 seasons with Chicago, including one season as the Director of Pro Scouting (2012). He spent the previous 11 seasons as the Bears Southwest Area Scout (2001-11). During that time, Ballard helped Chicago draft Pro Bowlers Matt Forte, Johnny Knox, Charles Tillman, Tommie Harris and Nathan Vasher


Supposedly he's an ace in scouting DB talent.

If he gets hired it questions the point of hiring a consultant though.



Consultants main job is often predicated on making upper management feel better about any decisions that they make.

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Ballard seems like a good cat.

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The former Chicago Bears personnel staff member spent 12 seasons with Chicago, including one season as the Director of Pro Scouting (2012). He spent the previous 11 seasons as the Bears Southwest Area Scout (2001-11). During that time, Ballard helped Chicago draft Pro Bowlers Matt Forte, Johnny Knox, Charles Tillman, Tommie Harris and Nathan Vasher


Supposedly he's an ace in scouting DB talent.

If he gets hired it questions the point of hiring a consultant though.



Consultants main job is often predicated on making upper management feel better about any decisions that they make.


Good point. I wouldn't think that premise would apply to someone of Accorsi's stature and experience, but it could apply here.

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I don't know much about Ballard, but I do know that the family likes to hire who they know usually.

Two things I like about Ballard;

He left the organization and saw things done differently somewhere else. I wish it was for more than a year though.

He is on the radar of the other teams looking to hire GMs.

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It appears that the Bears openings are held in as high regard as the Raiders openings would be.

If that isn't immediate cause to terminate Ted Phillips, nothing will.

This should be the story.


Have GM's and coaches been turning up their noses st the opportunity to interview here?

I dont know. I know that there was a report last week that the prestige usually associated with the Bears job is gone and the opening is on par with the Raiders


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Saints guy & Ron wolf's kid.


Saints guy has an interview tomorrow and there is no ral evidence that Eliot Wolf was ever asked.

Do you have your own website somewhere churning out this info?

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I don't know much about Ballard, but I do know that the family likes to hire who they know usually.

Two things I like about Ballard;

He left the organization and saw things done differently somewhere else. I wish it was for more than a year though.

He is on the radar of the other teams looking to hire GMs.


Yes...I agree he was thought highly enough by the chiefs to warrant a look.
Was there any other team besides the Jets that had interest?

I'm trying to be objective with Ballard but I just see more red flags than i do positives. He simply spent too much time associated with a group that struggled drafting.
They were saying yesterday he was responsible for drafting Cedric Benson....yuk.

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I don't know much about Ballard, but I do know that the family likes to hire who they know usually.

Two things I like about Ballard;

He left the organization and saw things done differently somewhere else. I wish it was for more than a year though.

He is on the radar of the other teams looking to hire GMs.


Yes...I agree he was thought highly enough by the chiefs to warrant a look.
Was there any other team besides the Jets that had interest?

I'm trying to be objective with Ballard but I just see more red flags than i do positives. He simply spent too much time associated with a group that struggled drafting.
They were saying yesterday he was responsible for drafting Cedric Benson....yuk.


He was the Bears southwest scout.

It was Angelo's decision.

And the Chiefs hired him.

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i take some solace in the fact that at least other teams want to interview balllard for a GM position.... whereas i cant recall another team even considering emery in 2012.

This guy shouldnt be expected to do the heavy listing on the draft picks he will make... it is up to the area scouts to do their job to provide him with the backup info for him to then make the correct selection... so as GM he will need to instruct scouts or hire new scouts that share his philsophy on finding talent... i actually think revamping the entire scouting department with new people is what needs to be done.... even more important than the GM himself. I admit i have no idea how much turnover there has been with the actual scouts that are employed by the bears... but they arent getting the job done



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This is kind of an odd endorsement of Ballard from Greg Gabriel:

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The Chicago Bears’ search for a general manager is intensifying this week with a flurry of interviews scheduled at Halas Hall. On Wednesday, Chris Ballard, the director of player personnel for the Kansas City Chiefs, will make his return to Lake Forest for an interview and is currently widely thought of as a frontrunner if not the Bears’ top choice to land the job.

Greg Gabriel understands why.

Gabriel, who was the Bears’ director of college scouting for nine seasons, worked closely with Ballard during their time together in Chicago. Ballard was with the Bears as an area scout for 11 seasons and then spent 2012 as director of pro scouting.

On WSCR-AM 670 Tuesday morning, Gabriel offered his endorsement of Ballard, praising the Chiefs exec as a confident and enthusiastic leader with an eye for talent and the people skills to sell his vision.

As a scout, Gabriel said, Ballard was not only detailed in his work, he was passionate in promoting players he felt strongly about in the scouting process.

Gabriel, who was the Bears’ director of college scouting for nine seasons, worked closely with Ballard during their time together in Chicago. Ballard was with the Bears as an area scout for 11 seasons and then spent 2012 as director of pro scouting.

“When it was his turn to talk about a player, he did a better job of anybody I’ve ever been around – and this goes back 30 years – in trying to sell his player,” Gabriel said. “… If he truly believed in the player, he had a knack for selling him.”

Gabriel gave Ballard at least partial credit for the Bears’ drafting several prospects who went on to become difference-making starters: Charles Tillman (second round, 2003), Nathan Vasher (fourth round, 2004), Chris Harris (sixth round, 2005), Matt Forte (second round, 2008) and Johnny Knox (fifth round, 2009).

With Tillman, a 6-foot-2 cornerback out of Louisiana-Lafayette, Ballard sold Tillman’s playmaking ability and told the Bears to believe in that.

“He literally jumped on the table for Charles Tillman,” Ballard said. “… There aren’t a lot of 6-2 corners in the league. And generally, their movement skills aren’t quite as quick or nifty as a 5-10 guy or a 5-11 guy because of their length. But Chris really saw that with some technique coaching, Charles could be an outstanding player. And he was 100 percent right.”

Ballard’s history as a coach at Texas A&M-Kingsville from 1994-2000 has its value as well.

“He understands coaches,” Gabriel said. “He understands how coaches think. And now, having been in the scouting business for 14-15 years, he understands how the scouting process works and how scouts think. And really, to be a good leader and a good general manager, you have to understand both sides of the story and you’ve got to be able to put it together and you’ve got to be able to please people.”

Ballard’s hopes to return to the Bears should crystallize one way or another this week.


It sounds like Gabriel is saying that Ballard is a better salesman than he is a talent evaluator, although he has done well with the latter.

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Where is the 40 time fram Vasher story?

Vasher's official time was 4.6 in the 40

Ballard goes to run him on his own...just Vasher and Ballard...Ballard calls Gabriel and claims Nate ran a 4.51..."Its what the clock says'....and Gabriel didnt believe him.

Always remember, Greg Gabriel went to the mat for Caleb Hanie! He wrote a long article about how good Hanie would be as an NFL QB. Just amazes me how locked in some scouts become on guys.

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Yeah, I don't trust Gabriel's opinion very much. I think it's odd that he emphasized Ballard's "salesmanship," though. Does a GM need to sell others on his personnel preferences?

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Yeah, I don't trust Gabriel's opinion very much. I think it's odd that he emphasized Ballard's "salesmanship," though. Does a GM need to sell others on his personnel preferences?


Someone sold that Cutler contract to the owners.

I think in a internet driven world a GM needs to have the courage of his convictions and stick to them when constantly questioned. They need to be tone deaf to the outside world but willing to listen to those they hire and trust.

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Maybe Ballard was the guy who was against getting Cutler. That would pretty much guarantee him the job.

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Yeah, I don't trust Gabriel's opinion very much. I think it's odd that he emphasized Ballard's "salesmanship," though. Does a GM need to sell others on his personnel preferences?


Someone sold that Cutler contract to the owners.

I think in a internet driven world a GM needs to have the courage of his convictions and stick to them when constantly questioned. They need to be tone deaf to the outside world but willing to listen to those they hire and trust.


So you're saying that the owners have the final say on personnel matters?

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Yeah, I don't trust Gabriel's opinion very much. I think it's odd that he emphasized Ballard's "salesmanship," though. Does a GM need to sell others on his personnel preferences?


Someone sold that Cutler contract to the owners.

I think in a internet driven world a GM needs to have the courage of his convictions and stick to them when constantly questioned. They need to be tone deaf to the outside world but willing to listen to those they hire and trust.


So you're saying that the owners have the final say on personnel matters?


I'm saying that they sign the checks.

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Yeah, I don't trust Gabriel's opinion very much. I think it's odd that he emphasized Ballard's "salesmanship," though. Does a GM need to sell others on his personnel preferences?


Someone sold that Cutler contract to the owners.

I think in a internet driven world a GM needs to have the courage of his convictions and stick to them when constantly questioned. They need to be tone deaf to the outside world but willing to listen to those they hire and trust.


So you're saying that the owners have the final say on personnel matters?



You hire someone for that huge a sum in any family biz and yes they will want to sign off.

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Yeah, I don't trust Gabriel's opinion very much. I think it's odd that he emphasized Ballard's "salesmanship," though. Does a GM need to sell others on his personnel preferences?


Someone sold that Cutler contract to the owners.

I think in a internet driven world a GM needs to have the courage of his convictions and stick to them when constantly questioned. They need to be tone deaf to the outside world but willing to listen to those they hire and trust.


So you're saying that the owners have the final say on personnel matters?



You hire someone for that huge a sum in any family biz and yes they will want to sign off.



Cutler was already personnel.

Higher ups in the corporate world sign off on compensation that high. If they want to keep their jobs.

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Higher ups in the corporate world sign off on compensation that high. If they want to keep their jobs.


We're not talking about the corporate world; we're talking about the Bears. They are owned by a family that knows nothing about football. A
Cutler was already personnel. You originally implied that the owners have the final say on personnel decisions. Is this your position or not?

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Maybe Ballard was the guy who was against getting Cutler. That would pretty much guarantee him the job.


Maybe, but I still think a prerequisite for the GM job is keeping Cutler, despite what they say.

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Higher ups in the corporate world sign off on compensation that high. If they want to keep their jobs.


We're not talking about the corporate world; we're talking about the Bears. They are owned by a family that knows nothing about football. A
Cutler was already personnel. You originally implied that the owners have the final say on personnel decisions. Is this your position or not?



I stated the opposite. Repeatedly.

I you going to develop an understanding of how the real world actually works, or will you just be the poster child for:

" Those that can do, those that that can't, teach"

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Maybe, but I still think a prerequisite for the GM job is keeping Cutler, despite what they say.


I wouldn't doubt it, but they have to know signing him was a huge mistake to begin with.

The real question is are they in "win now" mode or rebuild mode.

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Maybe, but I still think a prerequisite for the GM job is keeping Cutler, despite what they say.


I wouldn't doubt it, but they have to know signing him was a huge mistake to begin with.

The real question is are they in "win now" mode or rebuild mode.


I think that the team would be more than happy to be rid of Jay.

From the top on down.

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Higher ups in the corporate world sign off on compensation that high. If they want to keep their jobs.


We're not talking about the corporate world; we're talking about the Bears. They are owned by a family that knows nothing about football. A
Cutler was already personnel. You originally implied that the owners have the final say on personnel decisions. Is this your position or not?



I stated the opposite. Repeatedly.

I you going to develop an understanding of how the real world actually works, or will you just be the poster child for:

" Those that can do, those that that can't, teach"


I have no idea what you are saying. Apparently, neither do you.

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Maybe, but I still think a prerequisite for the GM job is keeping Cutler, despite what they say.


I wouldn't doubt it, but they have to know signing him was a huge mistake to begin with.

The real question is are they in "win now" mode or rebuild mode.


If they believe they need to rebuild, then it makes absolutely no sense to keep Cutler.

Then again, if they believe they are in "win now" mode, it still makes no sense to keep Cutler.

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Higher ups in the corporate world sign off on compensation that high. If they want to keep their jobs.


We're not talking about the corporate world; we're talking about the Bears. They are owned by a family that knows nothing about football. A
Cutler was already personnel. You originally implied that the owners have the final say on personnel decisions. Is this your position or not?



I stated the opposite. Repeatedly.

I you going to develop an understanding of how the real world actually works, or will you just be the poster child for:

" Those that can do, those that that can't, teach"


I have no idea what you are saying. Apparently, neither do you.


I have said repeatedly in this section, that unlike other Family owned franchises in town, the Bears leave people alone on a daily basis and let them do their job.

When any corporation spends that type of money, the upper management is involved. Whether it's publicly traded, or privately owned. Especially in a sport where the salary cap is such a big factor.

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I have said repeatedly in this section, that unlike other Family owned franchises in town, the Bears leave people alone on a daily basis and let them do their job.

When any corporation spends that type of money, the upper management is involved. Whether it's publicly traded, or privately owned. Especially in a sport where the salary cap is such a big factor.


So in other words the McCaskeys make the final decisions on personnel. Got it. Thanks.

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You guys are being too nitpicky. I have no love for the McCaskey's but aside from a couple sports franchises if you sign someone to a 100+ million contract it is getting run by the owner first. George isn't approving signing Mundy or not.

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You guys are being too nitpicky. I have no love for the McCaskey's but aside from a couple sports franchises if you sign someone to a 100+ million contract it is getting run by the owner first. George isn't approving signing Mundy or not.



That's the way it works in the real world.

Big hires are made and the top folks approve compensation packages when necessary,

My favorite NFL owner story is Bob Kraft claiming that he got hustled by Aaron Hernandez. The kid from the poor side of Bristol pulled one over on the great Bob Kraft who's business touches on some of what I do and he is renowned for being a ruthless SOB.

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