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I would love to see the Bears draft Justin Jackson(All-time NU RB) in one of the lower rounds if he is still there.

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Maurice Hurst (DT Michigan) is intriguing in the 4th round. He's most likely the best player still on the board too. But I can't see him getting to the Bears. But if he is there, they'd be crazy not to take a flyer on him even tho he projects more as a 4-3 type of guy. His athleticism is intriguing, especially with a coach like Fangio, and he is a pass rusher.

As for edge rushers, there's a few 'specialists' still on the board and the 4th is a good round to take swings at guys like this -Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (Oklahoma) is most likely the best guy left on the board followed by Jeff Holland (Auburn) and Josh Sweat (Florida St). Sweat does have knee issues buuut, this is where you start looking at 'boom or bust' guys that slip for various reasons. I like the Oklahoma edge rusher here the most.


At WR there are still a few solid prospects left on the board too -Deon Cain (Clemson) and Simmie Cobbs (Indiana). Both have good size and were productive in college. I like Cain the most out of the two.


Kalen Ballage (RB Arizona State) may get a look also. Dude is 6'2 and has great athleticism for the position, and has good hands catching out of the backfield.

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Maurice Hurst (DT Michigan) is intriguing in the 4th round. He's most likely the best player still on the board too. But I can't see him getting to the Bears. But if he is there, they'd be crazy not to take a flyer on him even tho he projects more as a 4-3 type of guy. His athleticism is intriguing, especially with a coach like Fangio, and he is a pass rusher.

As for edge rushers, there's a few 'specialists' still on the board and the 4th is a good round to take swings at guys like this -Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (Oklahoma) is most likely the best guy left on the board followed by Jeff Holland (Auburn) and Josh Sweat (Florida St). Sweat does have knee issues buuut, this is where you start looking at 'boom or bust' guys that slip for various reasons. I like the Oklahoma edge rusher here the most.


At WR there are still a few solid prospects left on the board too -Deon Cain (Clemson) and Simmie Cobbs (Indiana). Both have good size and were productive in college. I like Cain the most out of the two.


Kalen Ballage (RB Arizona State) may get a look also. Dude is 6'2 and has great athleticism for the position, and has good hands catching out of the backfield.


Lots of concerns about Hurst due to his heart condition. Any ideas on if/when Griffin from UCF gets drafted?

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Lots of concerns about Hurst due to his heart condition. Any ideas on if/when Griffin from UCF gets drafted?




Griffin is most likely a 6th, 7th rounder. I could even see him going undrafted. It's one thing to look good in college with his disability, but it's another to go into the NFL as an LB literally with one hand. Him being a good story won't be enough to move the needle on getting drafted -there's going to have to be things on his tape that translate to the next level and separates him from the next guy that gets him picked. And I'm not sure there's anything you'd see on his film that you won't see on any others still available at the same position, but without the disability.

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I just hope today isn't the day the Bears decide to move Howard lol

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Equanimeous St. Brown, the WR from Notre Dame always intrigued me. He's a huge, fast dude. 6'5"/215. He probably would have been a late 1st rounder last year if he were able to come out. But ND's crappy offense killed his production last year. But, he isn't just a big guy, though, he's got some real WR skills except the one that probably counts - his hands aren't that great.

But, MY GUY says the Bears had shown some interest but I doubt they take 2 WRs at this point. However, I think he might be a bit of a steal for a Day 3 guy.

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NME wrote:
Maurice Hurst (DT Michigan) is intriguing in the 4th round. He's most likely the best player still on the board too. But I can't see him getting to the Bears. But if he is there, they'd be crazy not to take a flyer on him even tho he projects more as a 4-3 type of guy. His athleticism is intriguing, especially with a coach like Fangio, and he is a pass rusher.

As for edge rushers, there's a few 'specialists' still on the board and the 4th is a good round to take swings at guys like this -Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (Oklahoma) is most likely the best guy left on the board followed by Jeff Holland (Auburn) and Josh Sweat (Florida St). Sweat does have knee issues buuut, this is where you start looking at 'boom or bust' guys that slip for various reasons. I like the Oklahoma edge rusher here the most.


At WR there are still a few solid prospects left on the board too -Deon Cain (Clemson) and Simmie Cobbs (Indiana). Both have good size and were productive in college. I like Cain the most out of the two.


Kalen Ballage (RB Arizona State) may get a look also. Dude is 6'2 and has great athleticism for the position, and has good hands catching out of the backfield.

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For Bears R4, I'd go in order -

Holton Hill, CB, Texas - Bears won't take him because he's had some off-field stuff
JC Jackson, CB, Maryland - I like a good, physical CB

If neither of those guys, I'd take a flyer on Eq Brown, assuming guys like Hurst and Sweat are gone.

Then, for R5, I'd like to see Bo Scarbrough, the big bruising RB from Alabama.

I WANT THE BEARS TO HURT PEOPLE, DAMN IT!!! YOU'LL KNOW YOU PLAYED THE BEARS!!

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NME wrote:
Maurice Hurst (DT Michigan) is intriguing in the 4th round. He's most likely the best player still on the board too. But I can't see him getting to the Bears. But if he is there, they'd be crazy not to take a flyer on him even tho he projects more as a 4-3 type of guy. His athleticism is intriguing, especially with a coach like Fangio, and he is a pass rusher.

As for edge rushers, there's a few 'specialists' still on the board and the 4th is a good round to take swings at guys like this -Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (Oklahoma) is most likely the best guy left on the board followed by Jeff Holland (Auburn) and Josh Sweat (Florida St). Sweat does have knee issues buuut, this is where you start looking at 'boom or bust' guys that slip for various reasons. I like the Oklahoma edge rusher here the most.


At WR there are still a few solid prospects left on the board too -Deon Cain (Clemson) and Simmie Cobbs (Indiana). Both have good size and were productive in college. I like Cain the most out of the two.


Kalen Ballage (RB Arizona State) may get a look also. Dude is 6'2 and has great athleticism for the position, and has good hands catching out of the backfield.

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Not sure how the heart condition escaped my attention, but it did. Still, in the 4th round is where you should start looking at the 'risk' guys that have slipped (at least, that's my personal philosophy). And the kid is talented and a natural athlete for his size.

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I'd like to see Bo Scarbrough, the big bruising RB from Alabama.

I WANT THE BEARS TO HURT PEOPLE, DAMN IT!!! YOU'LL KNOW YOU PLAYED THE BEARS!!


I’d be cool with Bo or Ballage in the 4th or 5th. Either guy would be a fun duo with Howard and sprinkles of Cohen. I know Ballage can catch passes. He goes earlier.


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of course it's another linebacker. good luck pronouncing this guy's last name.

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Hub " I have to be honest, I don't have a lot of information on him. You've left a lot of good talent on the table."

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hub: "we are talking about another likely undersized middle linebacker"

well hey at least pace is consistent, no? if patrick willis doesn't work out at #8 they've got another guy to plug and pray.

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This Joel guy looks like an immediate bust. Analysis: "maybe a core special teams guy".

Good job Pace wasting a 4th round pick.

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Feels like a poor man's Minkah. A position-less dude who's always around the ball, can excel at ST while working in a rotation with Acho in certain defensive packages.

It definitely reeks of typical Pace "division II hipster" cuteness, but if the guy becomes Brendon Ayanbadejo, I'd say that's worth a 4th. In the moment, however, I'm kind of perplexed and feel like Detroit probably fucked them out of getting Hand. Detroit's been doing this all week, cutting in line to snatch guys away.

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I like the J'Mon Moore pick

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Should have taken Griffen instead.


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sounds like they could've signed him as a UDFA


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sounds like they could've signed him as a UDFA


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Bilal Nichols looks like a good pick though.


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In regards to the 4th pick.. yeah, not really too sure about this guy myself. Definitely a reach. I think the philosophy is that players at this point need to at least be able to play special teams if they don't pan out at an actual position. That's why he may have passed here on guys like Hurst and Sweat for example. If they work out, fine they have a position. But if not, then they're eating up a roster spot and doing nothing. The concern I have in that thinking is why not go after one of the better WR's left on the board then? They can easily fit in on special teams if they can't get on the field as wide outs right away. I also don't like this philosophy of drafting because it's an indictment on your ST coach to have to try and draft players he can work with. By nature, ST coaches have to be able to mold castoffs into players they can use, not the other way around.


I can't judge the pick too much without actual information to go on, but my gut feeling is that this is a wasted pick.

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sounds like they could've signed him as a UDFA


Hub said he was 6-7 round tops probably UFA from the scouting reports he had seen.


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Pace will just throw away a pick like this usually every draft. Usually not as high as the 4th rounder though.


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Kylie Fitts, DE Utah

Overview
Fitts simply hasn't been able to stay at full strength over the last two seasons and it takes heavy digging to find good tape against quality competition because of it. He could be a target for 3-4 teams as a strong-side outside linebacker, but a lack of anchor at the point of attack could chase him into competition for a role as designated pass rusher. He has the talent and traits to play at a higher level than his current grade, but he'll have to prove he can stay healthy.

Strengths
Has experience playing with a hand down or standing
Plays with good upfield explosion in first two steps as a rusher
Has purpose in his rush and gets good forward momentum headed along the rush arc
Uses efficient hand work to swipe and clear a blocker's hands
Uses a punch and rip move to work around the tackle outside hand
Ankle flexion allows for sharper cornering
Can brake suddenly and change direction to give chase against misdirection runs or bootleg quarterbacks
Uses long limbs for expanded tackle radius in his area
Plays with good pursuit speed and range
Able to spot drop in coverage if needed

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Durability is a major concern
Missed all but two games in 2016 due to a foot injury and had to deal with a variety of injuries this past season
Blockers slow him dramatically once they get hands on him
Struggles to match power with power when facing up a blocker
Sets a soft edge against tackles and can be dislodged and pushed out of his run fit
High-cut frame lacks strength in lower body
Can be jostled around and out of the play when stunting inside
Doesn't convert speed to power at effective rate

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Sounds like he sucks and is injured all the time. Plus his name is Kylie.

At least we have the second round.


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Pace drafting straight up bums now lol.


Deon Cain (WR Clemson) still on the board too. No way you can argue some of these picks are ST picks either, especially this last pick.


Pace gets an 'A' from me with his 1st 3 picks, but he's been a solid 'F-' since then. Wow.

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Eh. Fitts could be a great utility if he stays healthy. Not promising in that regard, as foot and ankle injuries have plagued his college career. But yeah, he's just drafting LOL BUSTS now. Overreactions are typical.

It's a 6th round pick. If the top of the draft proves out, Pace is earning his keep.

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The defensive tackle was a good pick these other two totally worthless. It's a bit embarrassing really, but as long as Miller and Daniels are as good as I think they'll be it's a fine crop.


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