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Did I Get Bamboozled On The Bears? Or Did Something Change?
CHICAGO — Did I get bamboozled when a trusted source, in the position to know, told me Chicago Bears head coach Matt Nagy was told he would not be on the sidelines after Thanksgiving?


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When I offered the Bears a chance to officially say the information wasn't true, I got snarky answers rather than straight ones.

And when reporters deluged the Bears' front office with questions, the team opted for silence.


And when Nagy had a conversation with ownership later that same day — then took the "unusual" step of canceling the rest of the day's meetings — the Bears continued to officially opt for silence.

What I do know is that many folks — some who make a living writing about the Bears — don't trust the organization to always tell the whole truth.


I don't want to have that problem with my readers.

Over more than 20 years covering every aspect of Chicago from government and courts to neighborhoods and sports, I've developed reporting relationships with a multitude of trusted sources who have provided tips, details and documents that exposed corruption, righted wrongs and held public officials accountable.


If my source fed me bad information about Nagy, I should have done better, much in the way the Bears should have done better.

There seems to be little question among those who regularly cover the team and cover it well that the Bears soon will part ways with a head coach who has lost the support of fans and, according to several reports, even the players.

Was that going to happen this weekend? Will it happen next week? At the end of the season?

I don't know. A trusted source in a position to know confidently told me Nagy would not be the head coach after Thursday's game.

Was that right at the time? Did something change? I don't know.

What I do know is that I will continue to rely on a multitude of trusted, well-placed sources to expose corruption, right wrongs and hold public officials accountable.

Readers deserve no less.















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I would say it is very likely he was right and the organization changed course when they found out it leaked

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The guy sounded like he was full of shit on the radio and now he's doubling down with this article. Several reports say that Nagy has lost the support of the players? I haven't heard or seen one besides from the Schultz clown. What high level source would be in the know? Pace? Phillips? George? Virginia? Nagy?

The Bears have never fired a coach during the season and they're going to decide to fire the 2nd best coach since Ditka after 10 games? They're going to tell the coach that he's fired, but he has to coach on Thanksgiving? Then, they're going to leak it to someone who doesn't cover the Bears 3 days before the game? I think so many people wanted it to be true, for good reasons, so they've allowed themselves to be played twice in 24 hours.

Edit: There could be a disgruntled McCaskey somewhere who fed Konkol bullshit, but a great reporter would have to ask themselves why they were being given the information even though they don't cover the team.

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I would say it is very likely he was right and the organization changed course when they found out it leaked


I'm with this

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The guy sounded like he was full of shit on the radio and now he's doubling down with this article. Several reports say that Nagy has lost the support of the players? I haven't heard or seen one besides from the Schultz clown. What high level source would be in the know? Pace? Phillips? George? Virginia? Nagy?

The Bears have never fired a coach during the season and they're going to decide to fire the 2nd best coach since Ditka after 10 games? They're going to tell the coach that he's fired, but he has to coach on Thanksgiving? Then, they're going to leak it to someone who doesn't cover the Bears 3 days before the game? I think so many people wanted it to be true, for good reasons, so they've allowed themselves to be played twice in 24 hours.

Edit: There could be a disgruntled McCaskey somewhere who fed Konkol bullshit, but a great reporter would have to ask themselves why they were being given the information even though they don't cover the team.


:lol:

You've already said he's a failed offensive expert but now he's better than Lovie, a guy who actually followed through on his purported area of expertise.

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I would say it is very likely he was right and the organization changed course when they found out it leaked


I'm with this


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The guy sounded like he was full of shit on the radio and now he's doubling down with this article. Several reports say that Nagy has lost the support of the players? I haven't heard or seen one besides from the Schultz clown. What high level source would be in the know? Pace? Phillips? George? Virginia? Nagy?

The Bears have never fired a coach during the season and they're going to decide to fire the 2nd best coach since Ditka after 10 games? They're going to tell the coach that he's fired, but he has to coach on Thanksgiving? Then, they're going to leak it to someone who doesn't cover the Bears 3 days before the game? I think so many people wanted it to be true, for good reasons, so they've allowed themselves to be played twice in 24 hours.

Edit: There could be a disgruntled McCaskey somewhere who fed Konkol bullshit, but a great reporter would have to ask themselves why they were being given the information even though they don't cover the team.


:lol:

You've already said he's a failed offensive expert but now he's better than Lovie, a guy who actually followed through on his purported area of expertise.


Did you read my post or decide what it said beforehand?

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I would say it is very likely he was right and the organization changed course when they found out it leaked


I'm with this


No doubt. I also believe Hub's story.


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Who did it leak to? Who decided that Konkol would be the perfect guy to report the story?

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No matter how incompetent I think Bears management is, I don’t think they’d decide to fire him before a game but not plan to do it until after that game.


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No matter how incompetent I think Bears management is, I don’t think they’d decide to fire him before a game but not plan to do it until after that game.


Not only that, but tell him about it, and get a guy with Nagy's ego to agree to work on a holiday even though he's been fired already.

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No matter how incompetent I think Bears management is, I don’t think they’d decide to fire him before a game but not plan to do it until after that game.


Not only that, but tell him about it, and get a guy with Nagy's ego to agree to work on a holiday even though he's been fired already.


Nagy knows he will never get another NFL head coaching job. He would agree in a heartbeat. Then they "fire" him after the game and no one will be the wiser.


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Who did it leak to? Who decided that Konkol would be the perfect guy to report the story?

Konkol apparently.

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KDdidit wrote:
No matter how incompetent I think Bears management is, I don’t think they’d decide to fire him before a game but not plan to do it until after that game.


I do. I just don't think they told him of the plan.

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No matter how incompetent I think Bears management is, I don’t think they’d decide to fire him before a game but not plan to do it until after that game.


I do. I just don't think they told him of the plan.


Right. The fact that Nagy cancelled a bunch of meetings to speak with ownership following release of the report suggests that he didn't know about the plan. I think it existed, though.

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Wonder who leaked the story? Another odd period at the tail end of the Pace/Nagy era, but cannot say nobody saw this coming after the strange Ted/George press conference at the end of last year, the wheels were likely to come off, but this is strange even for the clueless McKaskey family. Does Virginia fire George for bungling this like she fired Michael for bungling McGinnis?


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No matter how incompetent I think Bears management is, I don’t think they’d decide to fire him before a game but not plan to do it until after that game.


I do. I just don't think they told him of the plan.


Right. The fact that Nagy cancelled a bunch of meetings to speak with ownership following release of the report suggests that he didn't know about the plan. I think it existed, though.


I see that Nagy says he didn't actually cancel meetings but just took meetings off his calendar because they were mistakenly scheduled (no meetings should have been taking place since the team was on a Friday schedule even though it was Tuesday).

Doesn't seem like he denied the second part of the report, though--that he met with ownership for most of the day on Tuesday.

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I think Nagy forced the Bears hand. Obviously he heard the rumors and the story out there, and I think he went straight to George McCaskey and said "if you're going to fire me fire me but I'm not coaching another game. Either I finish the season or we end this now," and the Bears caved. I could be wrong but that's what I think happened.

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Looks like something that would come out if you were able to mate Raymond Burr and Penn Jillette

Did find it interesting that Kap kept mentioning the report came from a Pulitzer prize winning journalist while others were like, "what the hell is patch.com"?


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Looks like something that would come out if you were able to mate Raymond Burr and Penn Jillette

Did find it interesting that Kap kept mentioning the report came from a Pulitzer prize winning journalist while others were like, "what the hell is patch.com"?


Everyone mentioned the Pulitzer. It seemed like that at least. Florio did and he's national.

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How many members of the national sports media or even the Chicago sports media were able to corroborate this report or the Schultz tweet? Zero!

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The story made no sense for anyone knows how these firings work. Was this guy even a sports reporter?

This is the only way these things go.
1) Decision is made by management to fire. Fired immediately.
2) Decision is made by management to fire. Coach is offered to finish the season.
3) Decision is made by management to fire. Coach is not told until things get bad enough that they are fired.

You aren't telling a coach they are being fired in season but they still get to coach the team until after the next game. What's the point of doing that?

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The story made no sense for anyone knows how these firings work. Was this guy even a sports reporter?

This is the only way these things go.
1) Decision is made by management to fire. Fired immediately.
2) Decision is made by management to fire. Coach is offered to finish the season.
3) Decision is made by management to fire. Coach is not told until things get bad enough that they are fired.

You aren't telling a coach they are being fired in season but they still get to coach the team until after the next game. What's the point of doing that?

I agree that is how things normally work. But that is not taking into consideration how the Bears have managed to pretty much screw up every thing they seem to put their hands on, so is it really that much of a stretch to think they screwed the pooch on this one too?

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The story made no sense for anyone knows how these firings work. Was this guy even a sports reporter?

This is the only way these things go.
1) Decision is made by management to fire. Fired immediately.
2) Decision is made by management to fire. Coach is offered to finish the season.
3) Decision is made by management to fire. Coach is not told until things get bad enough that they are fired.

You aren't telling a coach they are being fired in season but they still get to coach the team until after the next game. What's the point of doing that?

I agree that is how things normally work. But that is not taking into consideration how the Bears have managed to pretty much screw up every thing they seem to put their hands on, so is it really that much of a stretch to think they screwed the pooch on this one too?


Possibly, but 2 questionable "reports" haven't been corroborated by anyone in sports media. The chances of Konkol or Schultz have better contacts than everyone in Chicago and national sports media is very close to 0.

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The story made no sense for anyone knows how these firings work. Was this guy even a sports reporter?

This is the only way these things go.
1) Decision is made by management to fire. Fired immediately.
2) Decision is made by management to fire. Coach is offered to finish the season.
3) Decision is made by management to fire. Coach is not told until things get bad enough that they are fired.

You aren't telling a coach they are being fired in season but they still get to coach the team until after the next game. What's the point of doing that?

I agree that is how things normally work. But that is not taking into consideration how the Bears have managed to pretty much screw up every thing they seem to put their hands on, so is it really that much of a stretch to think they screwed the pooch on this one too?
Pretty much everyone involved with the NFL missed on it though. You have to then accept that they are an incredibly dumb organization that also kept it a secret to the point that a guy writing for "Local farmers market brings artisan goods to Lombard".com.

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The story made no sense for anyone knows how these firings work. Was this guy even a sports reporter?

This is the only way these things go.
1) Decision is made by management to fire. Fired immediately.
2) Decision is made by management to fire. Coach is offered to finish the season.
3) Decision is made by management to fire. Coach is not told until things get bad enough that they are fired.

You aren't telling a coach they are being fired in season but they still get to coach the team until after the next game. What's the point of doing that?

I agree that is how things normally work. But that is not taking into consideration how the Bears have managed to pretty much screw up every thing they seem to put their hands on, so is it really that much of a stretch to think they screwed the pooch on this one too?


But the Bears' ineptitude only goes so far as a defense for shoddy reporting. He could have said that Virginia herself was going to coach the team and then say, "well, based on how bad the Bears have been at PR over the years, anything is believable."

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I think there is a chance that Konkol naively allowed himself to be used by someone. There is no doubt in my mind that Schultz was completely lying from the beginning.

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