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 Post subject: Bears @ Jets
PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:02 am 
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Bears 24
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Zack Wilson is revived by the Bears D and throws for 300.

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The Jets defense is going to pound whatever quarterback the Bears start. I would be shocked if the Bears scored more than 14 points.

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This may go down as the worst game in NFL history

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This may go down as the worst game in NFL history

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No, that would be last week's Jets game.

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Mike White steamrolls us, big game from Carter.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears @ Jets
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Mike White isn't that much better than Wilson. Didn't the Jets trade up for Wilson?

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Lucas Patrick done for the season. What a turd of a signing by Poles


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Poles bragged how "tough" Lucas Patrick was. The pussy let a bad toe sink his season. Ronnie Lott would have chopped that shit off


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Poles bragged how "tough" Lucas Patrick was. The pussy let a bad toe sink his season. Ronnie Lott would have chewed that shit off


FTFY. :D

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Poles bragged how "tough" Lucas Patrick was. The pussy let a bad toe sink his season. Ronnie Lott would have chewed that shit off


FTFY. :D


What racist, central Wisconsin bar will you be viewing the game from, Denis?


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Poles bragged how "tough" Lucas Patrick was. The pussy let a bad toe sink his season. Ronnie Lott would have chewed that shit off


FTFY. :D


What racist, central Wisconsin bar will you be viewing the game from, Denis?


Typically I make chili and watch the Bears at home. The Packers games are bar shows for me because you get free shots for TD’s. On Sundays, I go to Mo’s on Hwy 13.

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whats the over ?

1/2 point. Oh sorry, wrong thread

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Fields apologizes to his defense for the last drive. Zach Wilson doesn't take responsibility for scoring 3 points.

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Fields apologizes to his defense for the last drive. Zach Wilson doesn't take responsibility for scoring 3 points.

Are you implying Fields is a pussy?

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 Post subject: Re: Bears @ Jets
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Fields apologizes to his defense for the last drive. Zach Wilson doesn't take responsibility for scoring 3 points.

Are you implying Fields is a pussy?


No. I'm just highlighting he is a far better leader than Wilson and Karen.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears @ Jets
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Fields seems like a leader. He does throw accurate. He runs great. HE CANT SEE A PLAY UNFOLD AND THATS A SHITLOAD OF A PROBLEM other than that he will be fine

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That Jets D is nasty, I would feed Semien to them this week, give Fields a week to rest up.

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That Jets D is nasty, I would feed Semien to them this week, give Fields a week to rest up.


Yep! Let Fields heal up for Green Bay.

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That Jets D is nasty, I would feed Semien to them this week, give Fields a week to rest up.


Yep! Let Fields heal up for Green Bay.


Both teams will be in NFL garbage time, if you think Fields is your guy then why put him through another beating as the Pack will do like everyone else does and force the Bears to throw knowing they can't pass block.


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That Jets D is nasty, I would feed Semien to them this week, give Fields a week to rest up.


Yep! Let Fields heal up for Green Bay.


Both teams will be in NFL garbage time, if you think Fields is your guy then why put him through another beating as the Pack will do like everyone else does and force the Bears to throw knowing they can't pass block.


The overwhelming majority of Fields' problems passing have nothing to do with being protected. He can't process or trust what he's seeing quickly enough, and he's inaccurate at every level. He can fix those issues without having a great offensive line.

Let's be honest, the Bears have 3 starting caliber offensive linemen in Whitehair, Jenkins, and Jones. There aren't bums all around him on offense. Where the Bears seriously lack talent is their front 7 on defense. An undrafted rookie may be their best player.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears @ Jets
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The Giants ran the same plays over and over again yesterday, rolled the pocket and gave the QB four options, a back in the flat, a WR crossing at 5 yards, a deeper crossing WR, and of course the QB could run, this would seem to work for Fields, but it seems the Bears WR's are consistently running the wrong routes and the backs are afterthoughts in the passing game under Getsy.

They did seem to be developing a decent screen game a few games back, but have abandoned it after Fields threw the pick against Detroit which seems odd give the fact that they need to do something to slow down the pass rush.

You can see the new coaching staff and the QB1 scuffling as we enter the second half of the schedule, thought Getsy was totally outcoached last week, but the matchup between the Bears Oline and Jets front 7 is a total mismatch, expect the Jets to dominate the line of scrimmage which will make it difficult to run anything offensively.


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The Bears have run similar plays. Fields misses the throws or holds the ball too long, waiting to see if the home run option gets open.

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The Bears have run similar plays. Fields misses the throws or holds the ball too long, waiting to see if the home run option gets open.




This is where you and I part ways on Fields a bit.. while I agree he has his own flaws, it’s also true some of what we’re seeing in his flaws is exacerbated by what he has around him, and how things are called/designed.


Fields needs to be developed, and that’s hard to do from a passing perspective when your O-line can’t hold blocks well, your receivers are questionable, and the play calls/design only call for a select number of passing plays to begin with.


Id also argue that Justin’s accuracy isn’t as bad as people think. I personally think Theres a difference between ball placement, and accuracy.. admittedly it’s nuanced, but it’s real. Accuracy to me is getting the ball to a spot within the catch radius of the intended target, placement is how well that ball is put in a position relative to that catch radius that only the intended target has a shot at it, and the degree of difficulty in making the catch is significantly lower.


Justin throws a lot of passes that guys get their hands on (ie n their catch radius).. his issue is more that his ball placement often leaves a higher degree of either player to get their hands on it (defender or target). The tipped ball by Monty that lead to the pick at the end of the game comes to mind here. In theory Justin did put that ball where Monty could get it (the proof being that he had his hands on it).. the issue however is that the degree of difficulty of that catch was higher because of where the placement is. And that’s where I think Justin’s biggest issue is after he actually throws it, many of his passes have an added degree of difficulty added to making the catch.


Obviously this can still be viewed as accuracy.. but I think ball placement is a fixable mistake, while players who are wildly inaccurate can’t be. And that’s another difference between them.

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Both Brisker and Gordon are out for this game.

I don't expect Fields to play.

This is going to be an especially crappy game.

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Both Brisker and Gordon are out for this game.

I don't expect Fields to play.

This is going to be an especially crappy game.


I don't care who plays QB for the Jets, their defense is elite. This is an L.


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Both Brisker and Gordon are out for this game.

I don't expect Fields to play.

This is going to be an especially crappy game.


Agreed. The only thing that might mitigate the crap is getting Claypool 12-15 targets. Let's see what he's capable of when he's the primary target.

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The Bears have run similar plays. Fields misses the throws or holds the ball too long, waiting to see if the home run option gets open.




This is where you and I part ways on Fields a bit.. while I agree he has his own flaws, it’s also true some of what we’re seeing in his flaws is exacerbated by what he has around him, and how things are called/designed.


Fields needs to be developed, and that’s hard to do from a passing perspective when your O-line can’t hold blocks well, your receivers are questionable, and the play calls/design only call for a select number of passing plays to begin with.


Id also argue that Justin’s accuracy isn’t as bad as people think. I personally think Theres a difference between ball placement, and accuracy.. admittedly it’s nuanced, but it’s real. Accuracy to me is getting the ball to a spot within the catch radius of the intended target, placement is how well that ball is put in a position relative to that catch radius that only the intended target has a shot at it, and the degree of difficulty in making the catch is significantly lower.


Justin throws a lot of passes that guys get their hands on (ie n their catch radius).. his issue is more that his ball placement often leaves a higher degree of either player to get their hands on it (defender or target). The tipped ball by Monty that lead to the pick at the end of the game comes to mind here. In theory Justin did put that ball where Monty could get it (the proof being that he had his hands on it).. the issue however is that the degree of difficulty of that catch was higher because of where the placement is. And that’s where I think Justin’s biggest issue is after he actually throws it, many of his passes have an added degree of difficulty added to making the catch.


Obviously this can still be viewed as accuracy.. but I think ball placement is a fixable mistake, while players who are wildly inaccurate can’t be. And that’s another difference between them.


This is where I strongly disagree with the narrative that's put out about Fields teammates. The Bears have starting level talent on offense at nearly every position. What they lack is star talent.

Montgomery/Herbert are starting level running backs
Whitehair is a starting level LG
Tevin Jenkins is a starting RG
Braxton Jones is a starting level offensive lineman
Darnell Mooney is a starting level WR
Chase Claypool is a starting level WR
Cole Kmet is a starting level TE

I don't deny having your bum ass center getting put on his ass damn near every play can be a challenge. From my seat, that isn't the primary reason Fields struggles to complete passes at every level. Neither is the receiving talent. I see a quarterback still adjusting to not having receivers who are high school wide open on every play. NFL open is something he's still making an adjustment to. He makes the right reads, he just doesn't pull the trigger, or he pulls it late.

I won't argue the semantics of accuracy. Now that I'm thinking about it, timing may be the biggest issue.

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