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Better than Justin Fields in 3 Years? Light Em Up Chicago!

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There is a chance that with a change of scenery and a lot of work that Fields learns how to throw and has success far greater than what he had here.

Williams will put up far better numbers his first three years anywhere than what Fields has put up his first three years here. Then again, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky put up far better numbers his first three years here too.

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Caleb Williams can't be worse than Fields. And you reset the clock


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Drake Maye will be better than Fields next season. Book it!

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No, and no one can be absolutely certain with how hard it is to evaluate QBs.

But I think you have to take a swing at greatness. Maybe it isnt Williams. Maybe it is Maye? Maybe it is Penix? Maybe it is McCarthy? But whoever they deem is the biggest swing at greatness you take.

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williams will be like ben rothlesburger except he has a millenial work ethic and cries in his moms arms when he loses.

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Next season Justin FIelds will be throwing to Davante Adams and Jakobi Meyers with Jim Harbaugh as his coach => Super Bowl


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williams will be like ben rothlesburger except he has a millenial work ethic and cries in his moms arms when he loses.



Tony Romo had to rely on HoF WR Terrell Owens to do his crying. Caleb Williams ain't a bitch like Romo--Williams does all his own crying.


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Next season Justin FIelds will be throwing to Davante Adams and Jakobi Meyers with Jim Harbaugh as his coach => Super Bowl


So your assessment is that Jim would want Justin as his QB1?

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That wasn't so difficult

For Caller Bob, the question was apparently "nuanced" :lol: :lol: :lol:

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No, and no one can be absolutely certain with how hard it is to evaluate QBs.

But I think you have to take a swing at greatness. Maybe it isnt Williams. Maybe it is Maye? Maybe it is Penix? Maybe it is McCarthy? But whoever they deem is the biggest swing at greatness you take.

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No, and no one can be absolutely certain with how hard it is to evaluate QBs.

But I think you have to take a swing at greatness. Maybe it isnt Williams. Maybe it is Maye? Maybe it is Penix? Maybe it is McCarthy? But whoever they deem is the biggest swing at greatness you take.

The contract is the most important part and it does bother me with the Packers but having a quarterback is the most important part.

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That is a pretty low floor for him but you can afford to miss on a guy with a rookie contract. The most important thing is that the franchise QB makes the players around him better. That can take a year but after year one you better be turning the corner. Fields does not make anyone around him better. To keep him and give him a monster contract would be insane. All his ass lickers have done the last few years is demand the team put better players around him. The offense has gotten better players and yet hasn't gotten much better. The reason for the better record this year was a much better defense. The path to getting better is to shot your shot with a top QB.

Im not overly concerned about the Packers right now. They should be freeing up some money from their disabled LT soon. Love will cost some serious money but when you have guys no one on earth has heard of like Wicks and Melton balling out I think you can spend that money because you have a guy who is making those around him better. 34 tds and 4k+ yds with a wr/te group that on a whole costs less than a fraction of DJ Moore's salary tells me you are making players around you better.

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Hussra wrote:
Next season Justin FIelds will be throwing to Davante Adams and Jakobi Meyers with Jim Harbaugh as his coach => Super Bowl


So your assessment is that Jim would want Justin as his QB1?


Below is a list of QB's who took snaps in games for Michigan during Harbaugh's tenure (I think I filtered out any WR passes etc. Dan Villari also played TE but was recruited QB and played more QB during his time in Michigan).

15 QB's brought on to campus by Harbaugh. To Michigan. Rick Leach, Tom Brady, Elvis Grbac, Chad Henne played there. A notch below Notre Dame in terms of storied collegiate football programs. No salary cap. Insane and insanely wealthy alumni boosters. Harbaugh could've gone to them at any time and said "I want so-and-so" and even before NiL and xfer portal they'd have helped him make it happen.

And this list is what Harbaugh lands on?


2023
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JJ McCarthy
Jack Tuttle
Jayden Denegal
Davis Warren

2022
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JJ McCarthy
Cade McNamara
Davis Warren
Alan Bowman

2021
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Cade McNamara
JJ McCarthy
Alan Bowman
Dan Villari

2020
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Joe Milton
Cade McNamara

2019
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Shea Patterson
Dylan McCaffrey
Joe Milton

2018
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Shea Patterson
Dylan McCaffrey
Joe Milton
Brandon Peters

2017
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John O'Korn
Brandon Peters
Wilton Speight


2016
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Wilton Speight
John 'O Korn
Shane MOrris

2015
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Jake Rudock
Wilson Speight



Either:

(*) Harbaugh doesn't know or care about Quarterbacks.

or

(*) Harbaugh cares a lot about who his QB is and expends limitless effort and resources to bring in the best QB available.

If it's the former, then it seems like any QB will do.

If it's the latter then Harbaugh, like John Elway, despite being a QB of greater or lesser renown in their careers, sucks at picking QB's.

53 Harbaugh era Michigan players have been drafted into the NFL to date--8 drafts so far => around 7 players from Michigan per draft.

Jake Rudock -- complete list of QB's drafted by the NFL under Harbaugh's tenure--in the 6th round by the LIons. Rudock is back at Michigan attending medical school there after a brief NFL career of being signed to and cut from various practice squads.


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That is a pretty low floor for him but you can afford to miss on a guy with a rookie contract. The most important thing is that the franchise QB makes the players around him better. That can take a year but after year one you better be turning the corner. Fields does not make anyone around him better. To keep him and give him a monster contract would be insane. All his ass lickers have done the last few years is demand the team put better players around him. The offense has gotten better players and yet hasn't gotten much better. The reason for the better record this year was a much better defense. The path to getting better is to shot your shot with a top QB.

Im not overly concerned about the Packers right now. They should be freeing up some money from their disabled LT soon. Love will cost some serious money but when you have guys no one on earth has heard of like Wicks and Melton balling out I think you can spend that money because you have a guy who is making those around him better. 34 tds and 4k+ yds with a wr/te group that on a whole costs less than a fraction of DJ Moore's salary tells me you are making players around you better.


They took two TE from a draft group I absolutely loved. Many of them produced in year 1. I said I loved that approach when analyzing the draft. Jayden Reed was a high draft pick who many, including the Bears, loved. It was no big surprise that these guys played well. You have the cause and effect backwards. They did a nice job of drafting at the skills position and those players are making Love not the other way around.

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That is a pretty low floor for him but you can afford to miss on a guy with a rookie contract. The most important thing is that the franchise QB makes the players around him better. That can take a year but after year one you better be turning the corner. Fields does not make anyone around him better. To keep him and give him a monster contract would be insane. All his ass lickers have done the last few years is demand the team put better players around him. The offense has gotten better players and yet hasn't gotten much better. The reason for the better record this year was a much better defense. The path to getting better is to shot your shot with a top QB.

Im not overly concerned about the Packers right now. They should be freeing up some money from their disabled LT soon. Love will cost some serious money but when you have guys no one on earth has heard of like Wicks and Melton balling out I think you can spend that money because you have a guy who is making those around him better. 34 tds and 4k+ yds with a wr/te group that on a whole costs less than a fraction of DJ Moore's salary tells me you are making players around you better.


They took two TE from a draft group I absolutely loved. Many of them produced in year 1. I said I loved that approach when analyzing the draft. Jayden Reed was a high draft pick who many, including the Bears, loved. It was no big surprise that these guys played well. You have the cause and effect backwards. They did a nice job of drafting at the skills position and those players are making Love not the other way around.

They kind of make each other, as you well know, when your quarterback can’t get the ball to them on time, it makes it difficult to show their skills.

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Justin Fields was the 23rd best QB last year. If anyone here went back in time and started 17 games for, say, the Titans, you most assuredly would finish as the 32nd best QB, or just nine spots behind Fields.

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No offense to Keyshawn, but he loves the sound of his voice. He is not someone that can be trusted to evaluate QBs. If he played with Justin Fields he would be bitching within 2 quarters to get him the damn ball more.

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RFDC wrote:
No offense to Keyshawn, but he loves the sound of his voice. He is not someone that can be trusted to evaluate QBs. If he played with Justin Fields he would be bitching within 2 quarters to get him the damn ball more.


These players are like a fraternity - they're going to back each other for the most part, just like police back police and so on. Fields is a popular former college QB with cult of devoted followers backing him - players are going to support him against all reason.

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RFDC wrote:
No offense to Keyshawn, but he loves the sound of his voice. He is not someone that can be trusted to evaluate QBs. If he played with Justin Fields he would be bitching within 2 quarters to get him the damn ball more.


He stated that Fields was the better talent and essentially said that Caleb Williams is just a guy. Can't say that I expected that to be honest.

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RFDC wrote:
No offense to Keyshawn, but he loves the sound of his voice. He is not someone that can be trusted to evaluate QBs. If he played with Justin Fields he would be bitching within 2 quarters to get him the damn ball more.


He stated that Fields was the better talent and essentially said that Caleb Williams is just a guy. Can't say that I expected that to be honest.


23rd best QB. Gardener was better and Dobbs was equivalent.

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