To be announced officially tomorrow. Shit, Bears fans are gonna dominate Canton, Ohio in August for the inductions. Peppers considered more of a Panther. But he had 4 or 5 productive seasons here.

As good as Peppers was, I always thought he could have been better. Like the GOAT of edge rushers. That's the talent he had. It's Laurence Taylor and Bruce Smith, but he could have been right there with them.

Do you think Peppers sneezes more than the average person?

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I was obviously a huge fan of Hester but there is no way he should be in the HOF.

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Why not? He's one player that actually changed the game.

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It's an interesting question. He was the best ever at a specialty. If Ray Guy can get in, I don't know why Hester shouldn't.

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Do you mean "changed the game" like he left a legacy where the league was different because of him? Kick and punt returns almost don't exist any more.

In terms of impact to the team, the Bears would have traded him for 20 other WRs in the NFL straight up even at his peak.

His total touchdowns numbers were:
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Compare that the Bernard Berrian.
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Compare that to Marty Booker.
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nobody questions he was the best ever at kick/punt returns. thats HOF.

And we haven't had any player since him that makes you go 'holy shit'

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Ray Guy touchdowns:

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It is a good thing for Hester that points were not deducted for the failed experiment to use him on offense. I looked but cannot find any videos of Muhsin Muhammad telling Hester where to line up.

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It's a good year to get that updated Bears HOF t shirt and I will be near Canton looking at schools

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I don't think they should be inducting a kick returner once a decade, but unless you think the position of kick returner has virtually no value, I think you have to put Hester (the best ever) into the Hall of Fame.

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I am starting to see leaks that Hester and Mongo are making it.

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The difference is that the reason Devin Hester was "dominant" was his touchdown numbers. His kick return average wasn't HOF. His punt return average was really good but also really close to a bunch of other people. Julian Edelman is only .5 yards per attempt less than Hester.

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From a quick count I'm seeing a combined 19 TDs for kick and punt returns, and I don't know if that includes the missed Fg return and I also don't know if that includes playoffs. Correct me if I'm wrong but is that the most return TDs of all time? It would seem you should compare his numbers to fellow returners and not WRs/RBs/TEs who are on the field much more than specialists.

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There is a very small amount of players that were returners only that didn't make an impact on the offensive side of the ball though. Look at Tyreek Hill. He would likely have been as good of a returner as Hester. He certainly was at the start of his career. He stopped doing it because of his offensive production.

Now, I can understand the idea that the best player at a position should be in the HOF but I'm also not sure Patrick Mannelly should be in it.

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Does Mannelly lead all long snappers in touchdowns?

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no but he is white. makes the photo op look like something you can proudly show during games.

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Peppers only had 6 TDs his entire career.

Those all came in 4 seasons, so he had 13 years where he didn’t find the end zone at all.

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I guess this is a criteria question which you and I cannot answer. For me, I think you just have to look at the statistics and any other traceable impact the player may have had on the game (e.g. rule changes, etc.). if you get into context like you did (Hill's returner production dipped because he blossomed into a star at WR), then that's an open door to introduce more subjectivity into the convo when you should be trying to remove it as much as one can. For example, using your argument, one should maybe give some decent RB candidate more of a chance to get into the hall because his QB was Mahomes or Manning or something and therefore the RB could have had even better numbers if he played with a QB who didn't pass as much. And yes, maybe Mannelly should get in if you standardize the criteria per position and he fits the criteria for his position.

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Isn't that what happens though? Edgerrin James is in the HOF and Tiki Barber is not. They have similar production.

Of course it's subjective but what is also subjective is that if I told you right now that you could draft either Devin Hester or Julian Edelman in the second round of the NFL draft and they would have the exact same career you easily take Julian Edelman.

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The Bears don't make it to the Superbowl without Hester, so I'm confident they take Hester 10 times out of 10.

If james and barber have similar production then to me they should be treated the same. I'm not sure if I follow your Hester Edelman thing. For me, Hester is only a candidate because of his work as a returner; his work as a receiver was unremarkable. Like I'd "induct" him as a returner. I know it probably doesn't work like that but that's how I'm looking at it.

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Hester definitely belongs in the HOF. Few players in the history of the game made the opposing team GAME PLAN for him as an opposing weapon and affected a game accordingly.

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Hester definitely belongs in. Any player that dominates their position over the course of their career belongs in. His work as a receiver is meaningless in this discussion. It would be like saying a QB shouldnt be in because they did not have enough rushing yards or tackles

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Should Mike Vick be in the HOF? He was the best running quarterback of all time. Should we ignore that he wasn't a great passer?

I get there is a position called Kick Returner but it is pretty much just players from other positions also playing it.

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