Everyone is talking about firing Poles, but what about Warren? He shouldn't be given any pass for all the Bears coaches that resigned or been fired under Eberfluss. Over the last 16 months, 10 of Eberflus’ assistants departed, including eight via either resignation or dismissal. The Bears have had three OCs in the last 2 1/2 years.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/11/ ... hes-fired/

If the Bears have this much turnover with their coaches, then it's the leadership who is at fault for not vetting these people. That's Warren's job and that's why he should be gone that the Bears have seen all these failures with coaches. It makes zero sense to give him any more chances and certainly not with a HC decision that he will botch.

The Bears are trying to deflect by throwing four names for HC out there when the spotlight should be on Warren's failures.

And the stadium "plan", if you can even call it that, has been nothing but botched PR move after botched PR move. If they hired Kevin Warren and explicitly told him "do not get a stadium built" what he's done so far would accomplish that goal.

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So far, Kevin Warren has made two stadium proposals that don't seem to work, pissed off the most powerful governor the state has had in decades in doing so, blocked the Bears from firing Matt Eberflus, blocked them from interviewing Jim Harbaugh, and inserted himself into a head coach search he's not really qualified to be in, publicly castrating the general manager in the process. So far, his legacy with the Bears is an absurd puff piece about how he wakes up at 4 in the morning to look at the ceiling and think about his day before washing his car.

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An everyman who washes his car (indoors)

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I still can't figure out why he came in and changed the entire organizational opinion on Arlington Heights. It's either a great bluff to get the school board to relent or he really hates the suburbs. Ultimately though, there comes a point where the "Just play in Soldier Field as it is now for the next 50 years" isn't a viable plan.

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I'd like to think it was that he realized the logistics of a second-ring suburban stadium don't really work in a hub-and-spoke model like Chicago, and that it would only take a couple years of bad Bears football for the allure of a football theme park in suburbia to wear off.

What probably happened, though, is that Warren and his big brain went "I can do even better, I can get public money for a downtown stadium because I, Kevin Warren, am just that amazing," and that such a coup would ensure he's the next commissioner. The only problems are that commissioners seem to pretty much die with their boots on--Gary Bettman has been tanking the NHL for 32 years now--and that Kevin Warren is not as amazing as he thinks he is.

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No one believes that though. The biggest NFL cities all have similar situations at Arlington Heights. New York, LA, Dallas, and I believe Washington are all basically in suburbs. Houston and Philadelphia are in the city though.

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Four more games for things to keep getting worse. Three of them nationally televised with no easy opponents. They still have the dreaded @Lambeau which if history is any indication will be the biggest shitshow of them all. That trainwreck will be the Saturday night contest during the holiday hangover weekend where everyone stays in and watches football.

I don’t think his job is safe at all.

From the White House to M&T Bank Stadium is forty miles.
From the Sears Tower to Arlington is thirty-five miles.

M&T Bank Stadium is where the Ravens play.

If not actually getting that job he probably wanted to at least be in the conversation. Like how sports folk would constantly say Theo Epstein "should go into politics"

The closest comps in terms of distance from a high-density city center with well-defined transit are Boston and San Francisco. No one seems to like the Santa Clara situation much and Foxborough is just accepted because the Patriots have been there for over 50 years thanks to their status as the mutant bastard child of Boston sports at the time. Dallas and Los Angeles are apples-to-oranges in terms of development and infrastructure.


I wish this were the case, but I don't see it playing out this way. For one thing, the Packers probably go into the game 11-5 and locked in at the 6 seed. Not hard to see them pack it in while the Bears go balls to the wall to get their one and only win for the new coach.

But even if the Bears go 0-5 and embarrass themselves in Green Bay yet again (I think we've all agreed they're dropping @Minnesota, Seattle, and Detroit), that doesn't mean DEI George will fire Warren. If nothing else, Warren just successfully robbed Arlington Heights schools to secure a tax break for billionaires. They can't give up on him now.

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You are acting like Arlington Heights is Lake Geneva. Half of all Bears fans are closer to AH than they are Soldier Field.

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Haha, having split most of my life between those two places, I have never mistaken one for the other.

There are lots of Cubs and Blackhawks fans in the suburbs. I wouldn't suggest that they move out here, either.

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Well, you are in the "Bears should play in Soldier Field as it is now for the next 50 years" category and anything that isn't that is a bad choice.

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All I am saying is “we’ll see”. There’s still about a quarter of the season to go, and it does not figure to be a good time for the beloved. Each of these losses adds fuel to the fire under Ryan Poles’, Kevin Warren’s and yes even George McCaskey’s seat.

The best thing that could happen is the season just ends and the Bears slip into the shadows for a few months. Not gonna happen, and now they don’t have Matt Eberflus to kick around anymore.

Which is correct, because the state doesn’t have the money to just build the Bears a new building when they are playing in like the tenth newest building in the NFL already.

Plus there’s the draw of all of the great restaurants in AH…Olive Garden, Applebees, TGIF. Something for everyone.

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There's an Olive Garden at Rand/Palatine but we actually do have a few pretty good restaurants downtown. Or maybe I'm thinking of Lake Geneva.

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LA and Dallas are not valid comparisons....they're not cities with the residential force of Chicago and NY. As Curious mentioned, Boston kind of makes sense, but the Patriots never played downtown.

I disagree with the argument the move to AH will be negative. Some things may change, but the Bears will still draw and be the Bears if they relocate to the suburbs. It may not be a good investment for Arlington Heights the city, but the Bears certainly won't suffer. It's a fun debate speculating the % of Bears attendees that live in the city....I wouldn't bet it's anywhere near half...but that's just my opinion.

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Yes they did. They bounced around between Fenway, Harvard, and I think BC based on whoever would tolerate them at the moment. When the leagues merged and set a minimum capacity, they had to move into a 60,000-seat stadium on the same basis that the Bears had to move out of Wrigley Field. The Patriots were poor and no one liked them, so the best they could do was the land from a disused racecourse (sounds familiar) halfway to Providence, where they built the worst el-cheapo stadium of all time. They made noise about moving back to Boston and even to Hartford (?!), but just decided to stay in their rut, build a second stadium there, and then put a strip mall around it.


Well, that's just it for me. I live here, so I don't want to suffer.

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How does DEI George even keep his job? 11 nonwinning seasons out of 12, no playoff wins, and an unconscionable record against the Packers would have any other family than the McCaskets up in arms.

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Kind of a neat exercise we've stumbled upon here. Arlington Park is 24.5 miles as the crow flies from Madison/State, as good a place as any to measure from. Here are other places around the area that are about 24.5 miles away:

Woodfield
Fort Sheridan
Wheaton College
Prairie State College
Benedictine University
downtown Gary (here's Downtown Gary, you're on the Score)
Lemont
the Morton Arboretum
the Rosati's in Buffalo Grove that we ordered 80% of our pizzas from when I was a kid
Carol Stream

All fine places (with the exception of Gary), but if the Bears are a team with a regional or even national fanbase and not just a Sunday afternoon hobby for comfortable dads of the northwest burbs, then I wouldn't put a stadium there.

24.5 miles northeast also takes you to the Illinois-Indiana border running through the middle of Lake Michigan. The way things are going, I'd put the Bears there.

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All fine places (with the exception of Gary), that the Bears did not spend $197 million on real estate. Did the McCaskeys just need to find a way to be incompetent in new areas of business so they decided to get into real estate?

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Does the Arlington Heights land have some kind of allure to prospective buyers from the McCaskeys? Does it somehow impact any type of estate tax when Virginia passes?

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Assuming Bezos is the presumptive next owner, seems he has a much better chance of getting his yacht into Burnham Harbor than up Salt Creek

As seen last year from our cruise ship in St. Thomas....

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If only we could all have had rich parents to lend us $300K to build a fucking empire.

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When you look at the amount of free agent paper and draft capital Poles has pissed away you see that he really needs someone to question everything he does and remind him forcefully to stop looking at the pretty guys that bitch and moan while they are supposed to be catching passes and instead look at the big ugly guys that protect his franchise QB.

If they really are going to spend top dollar for a HC they will be getting a guy that will be able to bring in his own GM, that is likely why Poles is putting out all the BS about him "not feeling comfortable", Waddle is a fellow BC guy, so can see him trying to help him make excuses for his guy to resign.

Warren on McCaskey:

"He truly does trust the people around him... he does not micromanage," Warren said. "It provides an environment of an even higher degree of accountability because he's there, he's supportive."

It's impressive how much nonsense Kevin Warren is able to get into print.

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