Well that would seems to mean Adewale is playing his last season with the Bears

It would also mean there's no reason to watch the NFL Draft on Day One next year.

I like the move. I think Marinelli can mold raw young talent, and Gaines ain't that raw, as he's had 13.5 sacks in 29 NFL starts.

Now they need to unload that Fred Sanford at DT, and sign Darnell Dockett in the offseason.

That D-Line would bring the thunder AND the lightning!

Interesting trade. We know that Jerry Angelo loves defensive lineman, and we also know that they believe that Rod Marinelli can get the most out of this guy.

It's obviously a trade for the future with Ogunleye and Mark Anderson free agents.

As for now, I would guess that he'll become part of the DE Rotation, ahead of Anderson.

My first instinct is to not like this move, but I'm willing to admit that Adams has slipped under my radar, and I do think that the outside pass rush is the principal weakness of the defense right now.

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Better be a bad-ass dude if he's supposedly worthy a Rd2 pick.

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So far, I've been pleased with the pass rush, but it's still a major concern.

The pass rush has been bipolar. It'll disappear for a half, then have a two great drives in a row. I don't know if that's a depth problem, or if they're getting more effective as the games go on, but the biggest problems have been when they can't get any pressure. That's probably true of every defense though.

I think the lack of trust in the front four is why they're playing the "6 people on the line of scrimmage" defense they're playing now. The numbers are there for the DL but I think that might be deceptive.

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I like it....dude was just a 4th overall pick 2 seasons ago...

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at first it seemed like a little much but i'm potentially a little worried about this

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What should be no better than a #48 pick for that kid, score one for Angelo.

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I have no issues with the trade, but he was underachieving, badly, in TB. He was apparently also a problem in the locker room.

I just think that if you were willing to part with the #2, you might have addressed a problem that exists now. You bring on any starter, and you have to lose a player. Who knows if Angelo was a party to talks with Cleveland, but a #2 and Aromashodu or Iglesias, or both, for Edwards, would have been nice. Plenty of cap room. Bring him in, and if he is really a bust, he is a FA in 2010. Looks like he can still make some plays, though.

Not sold at all on this WR corps. They still need a viable #1. And that isn't coming through the draft...

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Whatever...I'm still waiting for OL help.

not happening. You're dancing with the girl you brought. Unfortunately for me the packers brought the ugliest chick in the school

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Because one would have absolutely no faith in J. Angelo, College Scout/Draft Expert. Pro Scouting, a bit of a higher grade.

Because Tampa Bay is clueless, rudderless and on its way to becoming the next Oakland, where talent goes to dry on the vine. Because the kid has the physical tools, lets see what Marinelli can actually do.

....and then you look at the Bear DEnds in games where they play teams with actual OTs.

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Could they be planning on moving one of the DEs to DT?

It is going to be an issue next year, so maybe they are planning, but I think it's an odd move for now.

ahem.

dome patrol.

I still think DE is the principal weakness on this team. I will stand by that. If Adams is a guy you plan on having for a few years, and if the sack numbers "lie" to a certain degree, then maybe it's a good deal. You need to replace Ogunleye anyway. But I haven't seen enough of Adams. A 2nd seems a bit much though.



Really? Because your two biggest surprises on the team this year is your starting (and well-performing) 6th round safety, and your 5th round WR. It seems that no amount of evidence will make this talking point die a cruel and just death.

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I like this move. Adams has been very productive the few years he has played in the NFL.
50% of draft picks are worthless. Always, always trade draft picks for proven players.

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Where's that picture Soup Fan Anthony posted? I think I need that.

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Greatest LB corps...ever

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every part of this post is dumb

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Now that is some deep analysis there FF...

You don't like the Adams move? Why? He is a good player, a guy who can get around the end quickly. He didn't fit the new Defensive scheme in Tampa Bay so they dumped him.
The Bears have a terrible legacy of bad draft picks & poor talent evaluation during the Angelo regime. Thankfully, the Bears have realized that draft picks are a risky gamble, with about half of a teams draft picks either not making the team or gone in 1 year. Without looking it up, I would guess the percentage of draft picks who prove succesful is even lower for Angelos draft picks.
The value of Bears draft picks is lower because they are lousy at evaluating talent, The Bears can maximize the value of their draft picks by using them to trade for players who already have a proven track record. So yea, I would trade draft picks for proven players every time.

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Why is he "good" though? Everything I've read has shown he has been severely under performing... so much so that he has been called out by his own teammates and coaches.

Is Adams better than who we would get with that pick?

IMO the chances of that are pretty good, therefore I like this pick. You can never have enough good D lineman.

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almost every team that has been good for the part several years has done it through the draft. Since the pats stopped building through the draft they haven't won a super bowl and only came close one time. And adams is not a very productive player scorehead. And angelo is not nearly as bad as you think

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FF, I get the part about improving thru the draft. But if you are presented with an opportunity to get your team better, do you say no I cannot do that because I want to keep the draft pick?

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I'm sick of hearing this - guy will never be what he was, not even close.

The trade pretty much says goodbye to Adewale Ogunleye at the end of the season, which was going to happen anyways because the Bears would not give him new paper. Could the Bears be shopping Adewale?

it depends. Obviously getting moss for the 4th was a good move and made the team better. But the rats are old and one me the reasons is because the past few years they have had shortsighted tunnel vision and their defense is suffering now. As for this move, i dont think it made the team much better right now. Maybe gaines turns it around but i wouldn't have given that much for him.

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I would have rather seen them trade #2 next year for some help in the secondary than the D-Line.

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