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HOVA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:20 pm

When will Cutler be held accountable for his play? When will the reason the Bears lose be blamed on him? I keep seeing in most of the predictions that many people have already built an excuse for Cutler's poor play. Fact is Cutler lost at least 4 games by himself last season. That would have made the Bears a playoff team. Even winning 3 of those god awful games would have put them in the playoffs. As injured and as supposedly bad the Bears were he cost them the season.

Scorehead · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:27 pm

HOVA wrote:

When will Cutler be held accountable for his play? When will the reason the Bears lose be blamed on him? I keep seeing in most of the predictions that many people have already built an excuse for Cutler's poor play. Fact is Cutler lost at least 4 games by himself last season. That would have made the Bears a playoff team. Even winning 3 of those god awful games would have put them in the playoffs. As injured and as supposedly bad the Bears were he cost them the season.

Never. The Bears dealt for a big name QB, then did absolutely NOTHING to provide him with a supporting cast. The OL still sucks, & he still has 3 #3 WR's as his receiver corp. The Bears dumped $40 Million guaranteed on Peppers when they should have spread that money out to improve the OL & WR's.
I hope Jay loses it this year with Teddy, Jerry & Lovie, because he has a pile of shit around him.

C_Howitt_Fealz · **Joined:** Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:03 pm **Posts:** 4944

EDIT: I actually READ Nasova's post. Guy's still drinking the Kool-Aid and I have no idea why.

Walt Williams Neck · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:51 pm

When the media realizes he blows. Now the excuse is the O co-ordinator isn't right for him! Fuck he turned a bagboy into a qb ...why not Cutler?

HOVA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:02 pm

C_Howitt_Fealz wrote:

EDIT: I actually READ Nasova's post. Guy's still drinking the Kool-Aid and I have no idea why.

Is it not true that Cutler's performance cost the Bears at least 4 games last season? How is that drinking kook-aid? Being critical of a key player is drinking kool-aid? You may want to get some rest before your next flight.

HOVA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:05 pm

Scorehead wrote:

HOVA wrote:

When will Cutler be held accountable for his play? When will the reason the Bears lose be blamed on him? I keep seeing in most of the predictions that many people have already built an excuse for Cutler's poor play. Fact is Cutler lost at least 4 games by himself last season. That would have made the Bears a playoff team. Even winning 3 of those god awful games would have put them in the playoffs. As injured and as supposedly bad the Bears were he cost them the season.

Never. The Bears dealt for a big name QB, then did absolutely NOTHING to provide him with a supporting cast. The OL still sucks, & he still has 3 #3 WR's as his receiver corp. The Bears dumped $40 Million guaranteed on Peppers when they should have spread that money out to improve the OL & WR's.
I hope Jay loses it this year with Teddy, Jerry & Lovie, because he has a pile of shit around him.

That tells me everything. He'll throw 20 more redzone picks and it will be blamed on Ron Turner and anyone one else that comes to mind.

24_Guy · **Joined:** Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:43 pm **Posts:** 1678

Hova, which 4 games do you think he lost by himself? The SF game clearly comes to mind, but I wonder which other 3 you are thinking about.

The thing is, you can't just isolate games that you think he lost, and then presume another QB (Orton or whoever) would have still won the other 7 games. I don't think Orton would have won the Pittsburgh or Seattle games, and he probably wouldn't have put up all the points needed to beat Minnesota near the end of the year either. So you have to count the good with the bad.

Also, where you do and others on the board get the stat where Cutler threw some 20 or 22 red zone picks? 5 of his 26 total picks were in the red zone. Too high to be sure, but far less than 20+ which would be insane.

Here's a breakdown of the picks:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago ... -them.html

Bucky Chris · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:50 pm

24_Guy wrote:

Hova, which 4 games do you think he lost by himself? The SF game clearly comes to mind, but I wonder which other 3 you are thinking about.

The thing is, you can't just isolate games that you think he lost, and then presume another QB (Orton or whoever) would have still won the other 7 games. I don't think Orton would have won the Pittsburgh or Seattle games, and he probably wouldn't have put up all the points needed to beat Minnesota near the end of the year either. So you have to count the good with the bad.

Also, where you do and others on the board get the stat where Cutler threw some 20 or 22 red zone picks? 5 of his 26 total picks were in the red zone. Too high to be sure, but far less than 20+ which would be insane.

Here's a breakdown of the picks:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago ... -them.html

I still don't blame Cutler for SF. They ran the same play back to back. The defense knew it. And even then, Olsen didn't come back for the ball.

NearWessSideHussra · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:51 pm

Eh, you can make the same argument the other way--Bears were multiple missed FG's by the Steelers and Seahawks kickers away from being 5-11.

NearWessSideHussra · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:58 pm

That right there is the definition of missing the forest for the trees.

24_Guy wrote:

Here's a breakdown of the picks:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago ... -them.html

Hatchetman · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:25 pm

how long has cutler been here? how about lovie? jerry? virginia?

Irish Boy · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:29 pm

HOVA wrote:

When will Cutler be held accountable for his play? When will the reason the Bears lose be blamed on him? I keep seeing in most of the predictions that many people have already built an excuse for Cutler's poor play. Fact is Cutler lost at least 4 games by himself last season. That would have made the Bears a playoff team. Even winning 3 of those god awful games would have put them in the playoffs. As injured and as supposedly bad the Bears were he cost them the season.

No one will ever blame Cutler because the people were so open about wanting Cutler. Admitting that the trade was a mistake will be admitting that they were wrong, which they will never do. Only players, coaches, GMs, and management are wrong. Sports fans and the media are never wrong.

doug - evergreen park · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:35 pm

Fans want him to be good so the Bears win games. That is our only vested interest.
I hope Cutler will be good. If he's not, I guess I was wrong in hoping he'd be good.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:43 pm

HOVA wrote:

When will Cutler be held accountable for his play?

When the quarterback is the biggest question mark on the team. His desicion making needs to be better no doubt, but he is far down on the list of things that concern me this year.

HOVA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:51 pm

24_Guy wrote:

Hova, which 4 games do you think he lost by himself? The SF game clearly comes to mind, but I wonder which other 3 you are thinking about.

The thing is, you can't just isolate games that you think he lost, and then presume another QB (Orton or whoever) would have still won the other 7 games. I don't think Orton would have won the Pittsburgh or Seattle games, and he probably wouldn't have put up all the points needed to beat Minnesota near the end of the year either. So you have to count the good with the bad.

Also, where you do and others on the board get the stat where Cutler threw some 20 or 22 red zone picks? 5 of his 26 total picks were in the red zone. Too high to be sure, but far less than 20+ which would be insane.

Here's a breakdown of the picks:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago ... -them.html

I think he lost 5.

Both Packers games
49ers
Falcons
Eagles

Of course you can never accurately predict how another player will do but I really believe a QB like Orton would've protected the ball better. The 20 red zone picks were an exaggeration but I was saying in addition to what he has already thrown.

HOVA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:53 pm

Frank Coztansa wrote:

HOVA wrote:

When will Cutler be held accountable for his play?

When the quarterback is the biggest question mark on the team. His desicion making needs to be better no doubt, but he is far down on the list of things that concern me this year.

He will never be the biggest problem on the team. Neither were Orton or Grossman. He is the most important player on the team though. If he plays at the level you and I expect him to play at the Bears will win a lot of games. If he plays like he did last year they will be mediocre again. He will then be in his 4th different offense in 4 years.

C_Howitt_Fealz · **Joined:** Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:03 pm **Posts:** 4944

To be as crappy as the Bears are going to be this year it takes total team effort.

HOVA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:16 pm

C_Howitt_Fealz wrote:

To be as crappy as the Bears are going to be this year it takes total team effort.

That means you will enjoy the playoff run more than I will.

bigfan · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:51 pm

HOVA wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

HOVA wrote:

When will Cutler be held accountable for his play?

When the quarterback is the biggest question mark on the team. His desicion making needs to be better no doubt, but he is far down on the list of things that concern me this year.

He will never be the biggest problem on the team. Neither were Orton or Grossman. He is the most important player on the team though. If he plays at the level you and I expect him to play at the Bears will win a lot of games. If he plays like he did last year they will be mediocre again. He will then be in his 4th different offense in 4 years.

So HOVA wants to know when Cutler is going to be held responsible and then I see the last post and he claims Cutler will never be the biggest problem????? Which is it? Seems you just start a topic to take both sides???

WHO YOU CRAPPIN??????????

And I held him responsible http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=50155

Scorehead · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:51 pm

Other than Field Goal kicking, there isn't one single aspect of football that the Bears are good at. Not one.
I suppose the LB's are pretty decent.

HOVA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:07 pm

bigfan wrote:

So HOVA wants to know when Cutler is going to be held responsible and then I see the last post and he claims Cutler will never be the biggest problem????? Which is it? Seems you just start a topic to take both sides???

WHO YOU CRAPPIN??????????

And I held him responsible http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=50155

Just because he isn't the biggest problem on the team doesn't mean he shouldn't be held accountable for 4 and 5 interception games. I see your WYC and I raise you a cool.

HOVA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:11 pm

Also in the link you posted you had another excuse for him in the event he sucks.

Scorehead · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:15 pm

HOVA wrote:

bigfan wrote:

So HOVA wants to know when Cutler is going to be held responsible and then I see the last post and he claims Cutler will never be the biggest problem????? Which is it? Seems you just start a topic to take both sides???

WHO YOU CRAPPIN??????????

And I held him responsible http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=50155

Just because he isn't the biggest problem on the team doesn't mean he shouldn't be held accountable for 4 and 5 interception games. I see your WYC and I raise you a cool.

So if you believe that Cutler is so bad, how is it then that you think the Bears will win 12 games this year?

HOVA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:23 pm

When did I ever say he was bad? John Kirk Rule. I just pointed out that many of you already have your excuses prepared in the event Cutler struggles.

Scorehead · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:30 pm

HOVA wrote:

When did I ever say he was bad? John Kirk Rule. I just pointed out that many of you already have your excuses prepared in the event Cutler struggles.

No, no, no...don't crap me now... You started this thread & said that "Cutler lost at least 4 games by himself last year". When you infer that 1 player by himself is responsible for almost 50% of his teams losses, that certainly sounds like you don't think very highly of that player.

HOVA · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:39 pm

Sure that could mean that. Unfortunately there are hundreds of posts that say you're wrong again.

Jalapenos and More · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:54 pm

Walt Williams Neck wrote:

When the media realizes he blows. Now the excuse is the O co-ordinator isn't right for him! Fuck he turned a bagboy into a qb ...why not Cutler?

A bagboy who was an ideal pocket passer because of his poor mobility and accurate arm. I guess you forgot Warner had 3 HOF skill players to work with, too.

bigfan · **Posted:** Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:13 am

I am giving him a reason, that the WR's and the Scheme don't fit the way he throws, but for $22 million still his fault

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

HOVA wrote:

When will Cutler be held accountable for his play? When will the reason the Bears lose be blamed on him? I keep seeing in most of the predictions that many people have already built an excuse for Cutler's poor play. Fact is Cutler lost at least 4 games by himself last season. That would have made the Bears a playoff team. Even winning 3 of those god awful games would have put them in the playoffs. As injured and as supposedly bad the Bears were he cost them the season.

I just started a thread answering your question (before I saw this even!!)

Its not the answer you want

Urlacher's missing neck · **Posted:** Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:44 am

Has the "if we tell you are receivers are good over and over and over again then you will believe us even though they aren't" strategy worked for the coaching staff and front office? People can spin it any way they want to but this group of receivers sucks as a whole. I like Knox and think DA has potential, but that is all. Jay misses the days when he had Marshall to throw to.

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