Hey it's 2013 and we're all about memetic "viral" culture, so here's one to start tacking on the end of your pissed off Bears tweets: #FireMelTucker

I don't care what you tell me about personnel this, trying to emulate lovie's system that... yeah, I think I've read/heard this year that Mel Tucker was brought in to try and emulate Lovie's DEF, using the same terminologies/concepts/etc. This guy has absolutely shit the bed as a defensive coordinator, although if you look at his track record he's just doing the same kind of job he did with Jacksonville in 2012. Yeah you can tell me that JAX had some top-5 or top-10 defense in 2010 or 2011 or whatever, but the fact remains that this guy oversaw that ballyhooed JAX defense (ha) devolve into one of the worst defenses in the NFL in 2012, and I'll be damned if he didn't come here and oversee the Chicago Bears DEF devolve into one of the worst defenses in the NFL in 2013.

There's gotta come a point where this guy is held accountable for consistently being in charge of some of the worst defenses in the NFL, and if you're gonna tell me that having Kelvin Hayden alongside better health from Peanut and Briggs were gonna take this ~28th ranked DEF and turn it into a palatable ~16th ranked DEF, well then you might as well try to tell me about that wonderful timeshare you've got in Boca while you're at it. I'll grant you that losing Melton was likely a pretty solid blow, but still it wasn't like this defense was top5-10 right out of the gate; the injuries only took an already-bad defense and helped it plummet to new and exhilarating depths.

Moreso than even the technical non/merits of Mel Tucker, I want Trestman to make a statement of intent that playing defense that horribly is simply unacceptable in his regime. I don't care if his son was coaching the damn defense.... the shit we've seen this year has been 100% unacceptable; I think he needs to send a message to not only players and management, but also the fans, that he will not stand for such abject failure under his watch. Therefore they're going to bring in someone who is at least better at coaching defensive football to the extent that they're able to take a defense with inferior personnel and AT LEAST get them to finish ~20th-25th or something that isn't the absolute bottom of the league!

Goddammit, Mel Tucker's resume has been laughably bad these last few years I don't care what Hub and/or his pretty lil earring is telling me: this guy sucks. I know that #Synergy is the modus operandi over @ Halas Hall and their promotional wing @ WSCR, therefore the default stance taken by our sports-media-overlords is gonna be "The defensive personnel was so terrible that nobody could have done any better with that team. Mel Tucker isn't the problem here, look he was in charge of a Top-12 defense from 2009-2011 before the personnel was downgraded so badly that nobody could be expected to do any better with what he had in Jacksonville and blah blah blah"

FUCK THAT!

You know what that sounds like to me? It sounds eerily identical to 2005-2006 Dusty Baker saying "I gotta have my horses man.... if I knew why [all the losing] was happening it wouldn't be happening... I gotta have my horses" and you remember how that ended, right?

I'm going to exit the thread b4 I'm accused of hating Mel Tucker because I'm a crazy racist asshole.

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I'm not going to read all that, but yeah. Fuck Tucker. I don't care who your personnel is, you can't be that bad. At some point, it's a failure to teach technique.


The only saving grace for him is this: Emery's forcing McClellan on him. It's such a huge hole, by itself, it practically makes performing well on defense impossible.

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But I didn't read the fine print.

or

any print on that wall of text.

Ehh..I'm down with this post, but I don't think McClellan is an excuse. Even if you put Peppers circa-2003 at RE, it still won't make up for the confusion, inefficiency, and basic under-performance of the unit as a whole. Your first paragraph is right on.

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Tucker is just another Peter Principle guy like Lovie. He was over promoted to a position that is above his level of competency. Earlier in the season I was hoping that after the inevitable firing of Rivera, the Bears would bring him back as DC. Then Chico reeled off 11 wins in a row. Damn. I have no idea who is available to coach the Bears Defense, but they cant get any worse, they can only get better.

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awww you guys, thanks for the special attention! the fact that i've got committed trolls who are willing to respond to my every post/message with vitriol shows that you're willing to put out an effort for lil' 'ol me.... awwww you guys, the yule log is burning bright over here!

you lot got your little FIRE-AND-PASHIN-sini dog and pony show last week where i was all riled up to fight off the #McClowns and the aforementioned "walls of text" came raining down (much to your delight)... but now i've realized that it's actually a compliment to have people who don't even read my posts drop in for a second to say hi just to get my attention. y'all go out of your way to do this because you want, no need me to know that you enjoy my unique board personality and hopefully if you push the right buttons i'll go on a 5+ paragraph rant which will make you squee with delight when you don't bother to read it!

so thanks guys.... once you realize that there is no such thing as bad publicity it's nigh time to pop on those sunglasses and say "deal with it."

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I don't understand how you can even hire someone fresh off a failure in Jacksonville. That and Oakland are like the exit doors of the NFL.

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Yup. Thought the same thing when Lovie hired Mike Tice from Jacksonville. In an time where everyone was flocking to NE and Indy (at the time) to procure the best offensive minds, Chicago went down to Jacksonville to add Mike Tice. Granted he was an O-line coach and not an OC, but even O-line coaches have some sense of strategy.

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Well, you can't fault them for not poaching the great minds of New England. Every so-called "offensive genius" from the Patriots just ends up wandering the empty halls of his new team's headquarters at 4 in the morning yelling "I FORGOT WHAT PANTS ARE"

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Need to light Joe DeCamillis on fire as well.

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But its really just 2 players...Podlesh & Hester. Both bad. Actually, make that 3 players. I have no idea why Weems is still on the team.

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The alarming part in this whole Mel Tucker mess is that when Emery was first brought on he mentioned #Synergy in his introductory presser, which was then talked about glowingly by New-Bears-Radio-Partner-WSCR personalities who used Emery as a springboard to ask "Are we in the golden age of GMs in Chicago?"

Indeed, part of the #Synergy was spreading the company line that Mel Tucker had been in charge of a Top-10/ish Defense in Jacksonville as recently as 2009 or 2010, but a significant downgrade in personnel left him in an untenable situation that nobody could have done a quality job with, therefore getting such a good coordinator was a boon for Trestman and the Bears. In fact, I distinctly remember callers to b&b bringing up Mel Tucker's bedshitting in Jacksonville as a potential concern only to be cut off by a righteous Dan Bernstein who told them that "this is Lovie's defense; (pause) same terminologies (pause) same plays (pause) same players" followed by a mumbling "yeah yeah yeah exactly" from Terry.

What nobody had the werewithol to ask was how good are Marc Trestman's contacts in the NFL? Does he still have any buddies from any of his ~8-10 NFL employers who have gone on to have considerable success elsewhere that would warrant a promotion to being a defensive coordinator of a potential contender? Or does the fact that Trestman worked at so many different NFL teams belie the narrative that he's this worldly "quarterback whisperer" perpetually roaming through the NFL/CFL much like Caine from Kung Fu perpetually roamed the world in search of his brother? Wouldn't his inability to hold any NFL job for more than ~2 years tip you off to the fact that the guy might not be a "people person" ???

Personally, I think that Trestman had shit for contacts/connections and quite frankly he had no idea who he was gonna get for the DC position when he was hired. Someone must have offered up Mel Tucker as a cheap little stopgap to come in and literally run Lovie's defense and thus hope the whole production didn't blow up in their face. Lamentably, it DID blow up in their face so now you've gotta hope/pray that Trestman isn't as "loyal" (read: aloof and arrogant) as Lovie because it's obvious that Mel Tucker has nothing to offer you and whoever suggested him up as a viable alternative for a team with a rapidly-closing-championship-window should be dropped off in Singapore for 10 lashes.

Didn't some guests on b&b, you know people whose employers aren't directly in business with the Chicago Bears, speak of Trestman as some kind of weirdo who didn't make a lot of friends at his many stops around the NFL, hence his many stops around the NFL? Obviously you won't hear anything like that from our radio heroes, but still I think it's a concern if you're going to have the same problem that you had with Lovie where no decent OCs wanted to work with him, albeit on the defensive side of the coin this time around. I certainly hope that this situation can be rectified because if they think "revamping" or "rebuilding" the defense around the coaching philosophies of Mel Tucker is going to get them closer to a championship..... well then shit, I reckon we can pull down the Championship Storm Windows for the next few years cuz it's gonna be awfully cold and desolate on the other side of the opposing offensive line.

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edit: yes this post is long enough to scare your pussycat. blow me.

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There is a lot wrong with special teams though, and one shining example was bringing the extra guy around to fake the toss to. Takes away a blocker and did nothing to open up lanes. Kept doing it anyway.



This was the first night I questioned Tucker. I've pretty much given him a pass because the defense has been full of bad, declining vets and some dudes off the street. But to have that simple run play work over and over last night was troubling. No adjustments. That's scary. Maybe he is part of the problem. That said, I think the primary issues is still bad players.

Rex Ryan might be available.

Might be too big of a name/personality to hire for a coach in Trestman who is still trying to establish himself.

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I think Rex Ryan is a bad hire. He'll be a temporary DC. He's a good coach and he'll probably succeed away from the dysfunction of the Jets. So he's probably looking for a situation where all the pieces exist so his brand isn't damaged. That way he can bail at the first HC gig he finds suitable. I mean, why would he want to rebuild the Bears D? There's no talent there.

Bears would never hire a guy with that much personality. Way too big of a name.

The charter franchise of the NFL went to the CFL to hire a coach. You think there's any way in hell Emery would bring in Rex Ryan?

In a way he was behind much of the dysfunction in NY. Aside from having no luck at the QB position, they seemed to have good defenses every now and then.

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This thread's title is the truth.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

I started this thread after like week three and everyone yelled at me saying it wasn't his fault.

SOOOO WHO YA CRAPPIN???

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You guys do realize they are not firing a D coord after one season, right?

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Not enough data after three weeks; after fifteen weeks, we've discovered that the Bears cannot perform basic functions, like tackling or following proper technique in coverage. That's all coaching and preparation.

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It's unusual, but I would see the rationale in doing so. They are last in the league in run defense, the next worst D has given up 300 less yards. That's just terrible. They also give up 30 points a game, which is a little more than four TDs given up.

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Oh I ain't saying it wouldn't be justified. I just do not see them doing it. I think they expected the D to be bad this year. They worked on the offense last offseason. I see them working on the defense this offseason. Now next year if the D is still bad then I would expect a move to be made.

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For me I don't think this is a bad defense; this is an incompetent squad that cannot execute basic tasks. A bad defense gets beat from to time because they don't have enough talent to compete. I think that would be two steps forward for the Bears. The Bears get beat because they don't know what the hell they are doing, and that's on Tucker, and it's inexcusable.

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I am mixed bag on this due to injuries.Melton would have helped the entire line with push. Briggs and the LB injuries have been a mess. Peanut jeez. The only place I see utter incompetence not due to injury or guys rushed in die to injury is safety. That is on either Emery or Trestman for not telling Emery he can't have these guys in camp.

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I don't know. I think with the inexperience and injuries the D has had this year you could have the greatest D coord in the history of football and they would still not be much better.

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Even with the injuries, you still have veteran players (aside from Bostic), many of whom were here last year as well, when they were the third best D.

I agree with Pittmike about the safeties sucking, but again, those the same two safeties started last year on what was the third best D in the league. The safeties sucked last year, they suck this year, so what's the difference? Now I like Lovie and am not calling for his return or anything, but for argument's sake, I believe if he were the DC this year, they would not be giving up 30 points per game. I would expect a 18-21 ranking, instead of 30 or 31 or whatever they are now. In his worst years, the Bears gave up at most 22-23 points per game (http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/op ... 2004-02-02) I'm just using him as a benchmark since we're all familiar with him.

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IDK I don't see any veterans except Peppers on line. Ratliff just showed up and Paea? hurt all year and bad.

Started all pre season and more with LB from NC hurt. Maybe Tucker completely blow I just can't judge him this year.

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