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DT looks like the best value in the second with LOTS of good talent still on the board. I think these guys will fall as good value at QB is scooped up and people recognize all this WR talent on the board. It really is a great draft for WR.

I think there is a very strong possibility one of these guys is there and this would really be shaping up as a good draft:
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It is really dangerous to wait until Round 3 for a safety you pretty much need to start. I just think those three DT just present so much more value.
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what about Will Sutton dolphin?

Seems like an intriguing guy

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I think there is a very strong possibility one of these guys is there and this would really be shaping up as a good draft:
Round 2
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Jernigan
Nix


I think all those guys will be gone.

I wonder if Cyrus Kouandjio is still there if the Bears take him. He's a huge dude and young. Could be a great pick for a team that doesn't need him right away and is only 21 years old so could develop and still only be 22 or 23 when you stick him at RT or maybe even LT for a decade.

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I would love if the Bears pulled an Alshon and trade up to get Hageman but I'm guessing they chillaxturbate and take what falls to them.

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Looking at the LBs and Safeties that would be around in Round 3, it looks like they are all round 4/5 talents.

Look out for the drafting of RB Charles Sims from West Virginia. Fast, great hands, decent size. I like him.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Looking at the LBs and Safeties that would be around in Round 3, it looks like they are all round 4/5 talents.

Look out for the drafting of RB Charles Sims from West Virginia. Fast, great hands, decent size. I like him.


Not deep draft for LB and Safeties, deep at QB, WR and RB though.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Looking at the LBs and Safeties that would be around in Round 3, it looks like they are all round 4/5 talents.

Look out for the drafting of RB Charles Sims from West Virginia. Fast, great hands, decent size. I like him.


Just read this analysis of the guy -


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College: West Virginia
Position: Running Back
Height: 6’0″
Weight: 214
2013 College Statistics: 208 attempts, 1,095 yards, 11 touchdowns, 45 receptions, 401 yards, three touchdowns.
Charles Sims transferred from Houston to West Virginia last season, and made a name for himself very quickly at his new school. He proved to all of his doubters that he could continue playing at a high level against better competition and he was a true leader for West Virginia’s offense. There are some concerns about his game, but they all seem to be fixable with coaching, and his instincts and physical ability are undeniable. Currently, most NFL Draft analysts project him to be drafted in the third or fourth round.
Strengths
Has great speed and acceleration for his size
Runs with great energy and strong cuts in the open field
Very quick on his feet, good lateral agility
Can be very tough to take down from indirect angle
Played some special teams (kick return) in college
Above average receiver out of the backfield
Very good NFL body, will take the beating of every week carries
Weaknesses
Lacks top end speed to burn defensive backs
Not proficient in short-yardage situations
Had some ankle issues, but nothing too serious
Stops feet and leg drive on contact with defenders
Below average in pass protection
Doesn’t work hard for extra yardage between the tackles\
Overall, there are quite a few concerns about Sims’ game that will be improve on with good coaching. There are a lot of things for him to improve in, but he has shown great attitude and work ethic throughout his collegiate career. His receiving skills out of the backfield are going to be a major plus for potential suitors, and his overall physical ability will also help him in a big way. He doesn’t seem to have the ability to become an every down running back in the NFL, but he certainly could be an important part of a running back by committee type of system.
NFL Player Comparison: Matt Forte, Chicago Bears


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 Post subject: Re: Day 2
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The thing they need the most out of a RB they draft is proficiency in short yardage. All of his weaknesses are critical to Trestman in his RB.

If they are going to go offense, I would like to see a TE. Supposedly Emery likes Jace Amaro. I would advocate CJ Fiedorowiecz.

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Based on how they are behaving, I don't know how they could justify going for offense in any of the first three rounds.

If they want the defense to be passable, they have a lot of work to do still.

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Based on how they are behaving, I don't know how they could justify going for offense in any of the first three rounds.

If they want the defense to be passable, they have a lot of work to do still.


That type of thinking leads to reaching to fill a need. They have to be open to taking the best player that's there. No sense taking a 4th-round talent LB in the 3rd if there's a steal available.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
That type of thinking leads to reaching to fill a need. They have to be open to taking the best player that's there. No sense taking a 4th-round talent LB in the 3rd if there's a steal available.
I can see the case for picking the best available defensive player. It would have to be quite a steal for me to think that an offensive player could step in and improve the team as much as a defensive player could.

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Assuming they get a D-linemen in the 2nd, they don't need to add another DL or CB in the 3rd. There are likely no 3rd round LB or S talents available so I could easily see them adding a RB or other offensive player if it is a value.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Assuming they get a D-linemen in the 2nd, they don't need to add another DL or CB in the 3rd. There are likely no 3rd round LB or S talents available so I could easily see them adding a RB or other offensive player if it is a value.


I think they should add at DT in Rd2 and another CB in the 3rd Rd. Preferably one that could be transitioned to safety.


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Biggsy brought up trading down.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Assuming they get a D-linemen in the 2nd, they don't need to add another DL or CB in the 3rd. There are likely no 3rd round LB or S talents available so I could easily see them adding a RB or other offensive player if it is a value.
I get that philosophy.

However, that is also how you then get to the 4th round and there are no 4th round LB or S talents available.

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If Hageman, Jernigan, and Nix are all gone, I'd be OK with trading the 2nd round pick and adding an early 3rd and 4th or something like that. I think that would be a great move but I don't know that they'd find a trading partner unless somebody like Kouandjio is still there.

They could probably still get Sutton in the 3rd.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
If Hageman, Jernigan, and Nix are all gone, I'd be OK with trading the 2nd round pick and adding an early 3rd and 4th or something like that. I think that would be a great move but I don't know that they'd find a trading partner unless somebody like Kouandjio is still there.

They could probably still get Sutton in the 3rd.



Jernigan should still be there. He may even fall to the 3rd round. He failed a drug test at the combine, so his stock is way down.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Assuming they get a D-linemen in the 2nd, they don't need to add another DL or CB in the 3rd. There are likely no 3rd round LB or S talents available so I could easily see them adding a RB or other offensive player if it is a value.
I get that philosophy.

However, that is also how you then get to the 4th round and there are no 4th round LB or S talents available.


That's the problem, though. The value of a 4th round LB prospect isn't that great anyway, typically. Don't compound that by wasting a 3rd round pick on it. Better off getting a more productive player, even if it is in a non-need position.

The local DMV is full of flopped-out mid-round LB prospects that you could take a flyer on to fill a roster.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
If Hageman, Jernigan, and Nix are all gone, I'd be OK with trading the 2nd round pick and adding an early 3rd and 4th or something like that. I think that would be a great move but I don't know that they'd find a trading partner unless somebody like Kouandjio is still there.

They could probably still get Sutton in the 3rd.



Jernigan should still be there. He may even fall to the 3rd round. He failed a drug test at the combine, so his stock is way down.


Every mock draft I've seen has him going early 2nd today. I think somebody is going to take him.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
That's the problem, though. The value of a 4th round LB prospect isn't that great anyway, typically. Don't compound that by wasting a 3rd round pick on it. Better off getting a more productive player, even if it is in a non-need position.
I would hope that Emery wouldn't draft any player he doesn't think could be productive.

I hate Jay Cutler, and I think it will be a wasted pick when they draft a quarterback too even with value.
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Some of them probably drafted by Emery, if his "one hit per draft" record is any indication.

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Michael Ford looked fine to me. I don't understand why they would take a RB in the 3rd round.

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Michael Ford looked fine to me. I don't understand why they would take a RB in the 3rd round.


It wouldn't be my ideal scenario, either, but I could see it working out that way.

I like Ford but I see him as secondary RB in a platoon more than a load guy. They still need to address the replacement of Forte in the next year or two.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Michael Ford looked fine to me. I don't understand why they would take a RB in the 3rd round.


It wouldn't be my ideal scenario, either, but I could see it working out that way.

I like Ford but I see him as secondary RB in a platoon more than a load guy. They still need to address the replacement of Forte in the next year or two.


I've been saying that about Forte for a year as well. Time to think ahead though he is still productive. You want to insure yourself against him being your only weakness when the rest of the team is relatively strong and playoff bound.

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Toward that point, I think there is a much greater chance Bennett goes down with no viable backup than Forte. I don't know how many times I have said this in my life but GET ME A TIGHT END ON SATURDAY!

Word is spreading around these here interwebs that the Beloved are burning the phone lines to move up as they there is a top 15 player on their draft board still available.

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Word is spreading around these here interwebs that the Beloved are burning the phone lines to move up as they there is a top 15 player on their draft board still available.



Hageman

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Toward that point, I think there is a much greater chance Bennett goes down with no viable backup than Forte. I don't know how many times I have said this in my life but GET ME A TIGHT END ON SATURDAY!

Word is spreading around these here interwebs that the Beloved are burning the phone lines to move up as they there is a top 15 player on their draft board still available.


More so than a backup a te and or rb can help now too. Two tight end sets, or two rbs, etc. Beyond that I think a better way of thinking for emery and trestman is just draft weapons, and not rb, te, wr, etc. Draft studs and then figure out where they line up later.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Word is spreading around these here interwebs that the Beloved are burning the phone lines to move up as they there is a top 15 player on their draft board still available.



Hageman

Either gotta be him or Jernigan.

I would be thrilled with either. Just hope the cost of moving up is not too much.

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DT looks like the best value in the second with LOTS of good talent still on the board. I think these guys will fall as good value at QB is scooped up and people recognize all this WR talent on the board. It really is a great draft for WR.

I think there is a very strong possibility one of these guys is there and this would really be shaping up as a good draft:
Round 2
Hageman
Jernigan
Nix

It is really dangerous to wait until Round 3 for a safety you pretty much need to start. I just think those three DT just present so much more value.
Round 3
Lamarcus Joyner
Terrance Brooks


Despite the fact that he looked gassed & like he was in dire need of oxygen in his last game, if Jernigan is there you have to take him. Then again I said that about Mosley yesterday.

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