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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 9:14 am 
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Solid but not sexy. I don't think there is a flashy player in the group save for Sutton. Each pick filled an immediate need.

A guy like Fuller snuck up on a lot of people and I don't think he even generated momentum among NFL guys until weeks after the combine. His injury last year took him off some radars. I heard Collinsworth describe him as the best pass coverer in the draft. That seems far fetched with Gilbert but if he is the second best, they got the guy they needed. It became incredibly clear that Emery simply did not like the value the safeties in this draft presented.

Maybe you got Donald with Sutton. His junior year production certainly is Donald's equal. I think, at the very least, he can give you everything that you got from Melton.

Ego...well, we will see. Everyone focus' on his lack of refinement as a pass rusher. I don't care about his pass rushing skills. Stop the run and that is a productive pick from Day 1.

Carey is a hard runner who can pass block. That is exactly what they needed out of a RB for right now. I'm not looking for Forte's replacement. I'm looking for a guy who does what Forte cannot today.

Vereen has so many great things. He is one of the fastest, strongest and smartest safeties in this draft. Why was he there in the 4th? I think it is that he is not exceptional either at SS or FS. I think he can play both and be solid, he will just never be great. Think of him like Steltz with speed.

O'Donnell is going to be our punter for the next decade. Great pick.

Hopefully Fales will make it through waivers and can be on the practice squad throughout the year.

My grade is a B

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Cool, thanks for the recap. Given the FA signings before (and after) the draft and a solid B for the draft, Emery has had himself a pretty good offseason so far yeah?

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Good thoughts. I agree.

I think when you add in Christian Jones as a pick up you can make this draft out to be B+/A- level.

Sutton is the guy I am really excited about. His junior year was dominating. If he can play at 285-290 he can be a force in the middle.

Ego. Emery talks as if he just cannot be ran on. As you said, if that is true then this is a solid pick, but I also understand why people are questioning that pick.

Vereen is also someone I am excited about. I don't think you can dismiss his intangibles. I think if he were an inch taller he would have been a 2nd round pick. I just rewatched the scout video on him from the Bears website and was pleasantly surprised to find out he was the fastest and strongest safety at the combine.

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Do you guys think Fuller will be on the field in nickel packages this year?

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Do you guys think Fuller will be on the field in nickel packages this year?

Yes. And I think there is a good chance he is a starting CB by midseason. Injuries with their starters are likely due to their age and I think it is possible he is just a better player.

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Good breakdown, GD.

None of us know how these picks will turn out but this looks like a good draft for Emery.

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On the Scores website, Adam Hog graded the Bears out at an A+ when he took players that other teams drafted and therefore were unavailable for the Bears to draft and put them on the Bears roster.

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Do you guys think Fuller will be on the field in nickel packages this year?

With all due respect, where else would he be?

A fucking first rd draft pick better project to be one of your best three cornerbacks.


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I don't want Forte off the field on 3rd downs. Bears just needed someone to gain a tough yard when needed. I would have preferred Mosley instead of a 1st round pick that will essentially redshirt his rookie year. IMO a 1st round pick has to be a starter.

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If its 3rd and long and he still cannot pass block at this point in his career, he shouldn't be on the field.

RPB, didn't know if they would use a safety or not. I love Tillman, but if he cannot be the guy he was in 2011 and 2012, then he should not be a starting corner for this team.

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Translation: He messed up less this year than in previous years!

Maybe he'll have more than a 1/7 success rate with this one!

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If its 3rd and long and he still cannot pass block at this point in his career, he shouldn't be on the field.

RPB, didn't know if they would use a safety or not. I love Tillman, but if he cannot be the guy he was in 2011 and 2012, then he should not be a starting corner for this team.

Matt Forte is a pretty good pass blocking RB. Probably a top 5-10 one in the league.

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I think Fuller will get a lot of playing time. May not start but he'll be out there.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
If its 3rd and long and he still cannot pass block at this point in his career, he shouldn't be on the field.

RPB, didn't know if they would use a safety or not. I love Tillman, but if he cannot be the guy he was in 2011 and 2012, then he should not be a starting corner for this team.


Tillman was solid last year even though he was clearly injured. I expect at least 1 more productive season. I'm concerned about not having any legitimate replacements for Briggs and Urlacher.

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Translation: He messed up less this year than in previous years!

Maybe he'll have more than a 1/7 success rate with this one!


:lol:

Emery's drafting is much like the Bears D- can it get much worse?


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Translation: He messed up less this year than in previous years!

Maybe he'll have more than a 1/7 success rate with this one!
It would have to be at least 2/7 this year, right? Fuller should be good and the same can be said of O'Donnell unless he loses his leg.

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If its 3rd and long and he still cannot pass block at this point in his career, he shouldn't be on the field.

RPB, didn't know if they would use a safety or not. I love Tillman, but if he cannot be the guy he was in 2011 and 2012, then he should not be a starting corner for this team.

Matt Forte is a pretty good pass blocking RB. Probably a top 5-10 one in the league.


He had a bad game against the Eagles. Maybe that is why he thinks that.

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Nas wrote:
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If its 3rd and long and he still cannot pass block at this point in his career, he shouldn't be on the field.

RPB, didn't know if they would use a safety or not. I love Tillman, but if he cannot be the guy he was in 2011 and 2012, then he should not be a starting corner for this team.

Matt Forte is a pretty good pass blocking RB. Probably a top 5-10 one in the league.


He had a bad game against the Eagles. Maybe that is why he thinks that.

Yeah I knew he had a couple missed blocks that stood out this past season, but its crazy to suggest a rookie 4th round RB will be a better pass blocker right away.

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what are forte's pass blocking stats? somebody must keep that kind of thing. He never impressed me.

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What about the ignored Bears pick, Charles Leno, Jr? OT from Boise State. Everyone seems to ignore that the Bears drafted him. Will he be any use?

Read he would be better at Guard.


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Nas wrote:
I don't want Forte off the field on 3rd downs. Bears just needed someone to gain a tough yard when needed. I would have preferred Mosley instead of a 1st round pick that will essentially redshirt his rookie year. IMO a 1st round pick has to be a starter.


The injury concerns lost him for me. It seems like every time the Bear discount a 1st rounder's injury history, it comes back to haunt them

They got a very good player. Some think the best CB in a nice CB draft. Be happy about it.

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What about the ignored Bears pick, Charles Leno, Jr? OT from Boise State. Everyone seems to ignore that the Bears drafted him. Will he be any use?

Read he would be better at Guard.


Practice squad this year...either the Bears or someone else's. Athletic but not nearly strong enough right now. He won't see a down this year.

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There was a continuation of a troubling trend for Emery in this draft of him being beaten to the punch for a guy I think he wanted/needed. I think Donald was his guy. I think in the 3rd the safety out of FSU went just before them, then in the 4th Mc Gill went one pick before them as well. This ended with a strange turn of them picking a RB and ultimately trading back into the 4th for Vereen.

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Would you have traded up?

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The Browns traded a 5th to the Vikings to move up from 9 to 8. The Bears traded their 5th and next year's to draft Vereen.


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yes on at least one of the three

I'm not sure the Giants would have been willing as the Rams were thinking about a WR and Beckham was a fast riser

Mc Gill really is the one that got away for me. He is a very big CB who had the majority of his experience at safety. He was taken directly before the Bears. Once Marqueston Huff went off the board a couple of picks later I think Emery thought there wasn't another starting grade free safety after Vereen and he had to move.

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People always talk about trading up as if anytime you want to you can.

For all we know Emery tried to trade up and could not get a deal done.

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People always talk about trading up as if anytime you want to you can.

For all we know Emery tried to trade up and could not get a deal done.


This has been instilled in us by Madden franchise mode.

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People always talk about trading up as if anytime you want to you can.

For all we know Emery tried to trade up and could not get a deal done.


We see other GM's do it. It was one of the things I kept bringing up the entire weekend. The Bears had the ability to get every player they wanted but they didn't because Emery was too conservative.

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Nas wrote:
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People always talk about trading up as if anytime you want to you can.

For all we know Emery tried to trade up and could not get a deal done.


We see other GM's do it. It was one of the things I kept bringing up the entire weekend. The Bears had the ability to get every player they wanted but they didn't because Emery was too conservative.


and, the Bears did exactly that in the 4th round to get Vereen

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